Talk:Geography of the Netherlands

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On 31 August 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Geography of the European Netherlands to Geography of the Netherlands. The result of the discussion was moved.

Footnotes

The footnotes mention the names of 3 pdf files. However without the complete download address this information is completely useless to the interested reader. Please provide the relevant information soon. Arnoutf (talk) 21:21, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to see that you are so eager to consult these sources yourself. I guess careful and reflective reading them can teach you a lot. Ad43 (talk) 09:46, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your effort. However, I would appreciate it if you took some time to carefully read the Wiki guideline how to present references at WP:CITE. There are 3 ways how references can be formatted in an article and yours do not conform to any of those. Therefore I would ask you again to spend some effort to get it right. Thanks (talk) 10:11, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was just in the middle of doing this when you caused an editing conflict and spoilt my transfer of data. Don't be so impatient, o.k.? Ad43 (talk) 10:43, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edit conflicts happen sometimes and are nobody's fault. I did not know you were still working on it, and was tryng to suggest how to improve it further. Arnoutf (talk) 10:46, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I know, and I don't blame you for this, but unfortunately it causes much additional effort. Ad43 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 10:53, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I know, I am suffering from the same.

I saw you repaired the link to one of the reports; thanks for that, the hard work of getting things right. I was wondering though why you used the Google provided "htm" version in the hyperlink instead of the official CBS version (in PDF). References to pdf files are perfectly alright according all guidelines (the reader is after all freely downloadable). My problem with the Google version is that the figures tend to disappear (as do indead the maps in my browser) and the text layout gets scrambled. Also in these cases I would vastly prefer a page hosted on the website of the original authoring institute. Arnoutf (talk) 11:00, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delft issue

While you maybe right that 'some surveys' include Delft in the The Hague large agglomeration, the sources provided at the top of the list do not include it. Based on these sources Delft cannot be listed. If there are other sources that explciitly include Delft, these should be used, instead of the current ones.
This does however raise the point how well-defined the agglomerations are when different surveys arrive at different conclusions. I would suggest that we make a short introduction stating that there is general agreement, but that some small differences between surveys (and probably institutes) exist. That this does not matter for the gist of the argument and that we will adopt the agglomeration definition of CBS / NIDI or whatever relevant Dutch institute we can come up with. Does that sound ok? Arnoutf (talk) 11:04, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The list I have used should correspond exactly to the list of Grootstedelijke agglomeraties en het peri-urbane gebied, not including Delft. You are right. This source provided our data, extracted from <2004k4v4p037art.pdf>, on p.46. Ad43 (talk) 11:10, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

While I had some trouble finding the 2004 document, I located a newer version of the map and list from 2007 [1] [2], perhaps useful to know. Arnoutf (talk) 11:17, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think this clustering is basicly or completely the same. Underlying article is: Werken in het stadsgewest: herkomst en bestemming van forensen, by Mathieu Vliegen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ad43 (talk • contribs) 11:26, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Largest Cities

For some reason Emmen was mentioned in this list, which is wrong. The number of inhabitants for the city of Emmen is around 55000. The municipality has 100000+. NitroX infinity (talk) 10:22, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

European Netherlands OR the constituent country of the kingdom?

The first sentence currently links to the Netherlands, which is the article on the main constituent country of the the Kingdom of the Netherlands. This constituent country includes the BES islands. However, the present article elusively provides its content for the European part of the Netherlands excluding the BES islands.

Since I cannot change the whole article at once, I will for now simply fix this problem by stating which Netherlands is meant (i.e., mainland) in the lead sentence. However, I think that conversely, the article should be about the Netherlands and not just its mainland. This will require a lot of work (e.g., the highest mountain is on Saba).

Before I start with such a makeover (if I ever find the time), I wanted to hear second thoughts:

Do you agree that before I fixed the opening line, there was a factual error as explained above?
Do you think this article should be about the constituent country, on which there is the Wikipedia country article, or on the mainland only?

I look forward to receiving your input. ˜˜˜˜

Requested move 31 August 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) ASUKITE 14:28, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Geography of the European Netherlands → Geography of the Netherlands – First of all it is a common name of the subject, Geography of the Netherlands, please check out any search, plain google, scholars, books etc. It is also creates a confusion, see the section European Netherlands OR the constituent country of the kingdom? directly above. For Denmark the article's titles is Geography of Denmark with a hatnote: This article is about Denmark proper. For the geography of the Danish Kingdom's autonomous territories, see Geography of the Faroe Islands and Geography of Greenland. For France the article's titles is Geography of France and not Geography of Metropolitan France or Geography of European France. Dgvby (talk) 08:19, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:22, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom Hey man im josh (talk) 12:19, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.