Talk:General Jewish Labour Bund in Belarus

This article was nominated for deletion on 22 April 2014 (UTC). The result of the discussion was no consensus.

AfD?

Was there really such a party? Doesn't the material in this article actually deal with the Russian Bund and the Polish Bund, in areas today parts of Belarus? --Soman (talk) 23:09, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A scientific article that would be interesting to consult for this article

Gigin V.F., Bolshevik coalition with revolutionary-democratic parties of Belarus to cement new Soviet power., Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of Belarus, SERIES OF HUMANITARIAN SCIENCES, Published by The Belaruskaya Navuka Publishing House, Minsk, Republic of Belarus, Number 3, 2002 pp. 47--52

Summary: The article traces problem of relations between the Bolsheviks and other political parties (Russian Left and Right Socialist-Revolutionaries, Mensheviks, Belarusian Socialists, Jewish Bund) in Belarus during the October Revolution. The author throws light on the negotiations discussing formation of the new provincial Soviet government bodies.

--Pylambert (talk) 02:32, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reference?

Which are the pages refered to in Nora Levin's book? I'm a bit confused by the passage it sources, and would like to read the reference. --Soman (talk) 16:09, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

page 62 --Pylambert (talk) 18:40, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the swift reply. But I think reading pp. 62-63 raises some further questions. From what I can read, the Kombund is the same as the Communist Bund (Russia) (led by Frumkin). The Jewish Communist Party mentioned earlier in the book (Evkom) is likely the Jewish Communist Party (Poalei Zion), the left split of the Poalei Zion, not the Kombund. EKP(PZ) maintained a separate existence until 1921. --Soman (talk) 22:55, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Correction, Evkom isn't the EKP(PZ) but the Jewish Commissariat. --Soman (talk) 23:05, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Move

I suggest we move this to something like 'Bundism in the Belorussian People's Republic'. There is no indication that any 'Belarusian Bund' or even Belarusian chapter of the Russian Bund existed, and the Gomel and Minsk conferences relates to the Russian parties. --Soman (talk) 20:13, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect

I propose we redirect this article to General Jewish Labour Bund, as there is no evidence that a specific Belarusian chapter of the Bund or a separate Belorussian Bund party ever existed. The article essentially contains 4 disparate pieces of information;

"The Belarusian chapter of the General Jewish Labour Bund was among political parties forming the government and parliament of the Belarusian People's Republic gaining independence in 1918.^{[citation needed]} Members of the Bund became members of the Parliament. Bund member Mojżesz Gutman even became a Minister without portfolio in the Government of the newly created republic and drafted its constitution.^{[citation needed]} The Bund left later the government bodies of the BNR.^{[citation needed]}" - these unsourced passages have now been included in the main Bund article. Needs references, though.
"Contrarily to the attitude of the Communist party in Ukraine and Russia proper, the Communist Party (bolsheviks) of Lithuania and Belorussia agreed to integrate in its ranks the local Bund, renamed Belarusian Kombund in April 1920 after the Twelfth Conference of the Bund on April 12–19, 1920 in Gomel, into an autonomous Jewish Communist Party, thus not forcing individual members either to join directly the party or through the Yevsektsiya. They even demanded the Yevsektsiya to be dissolved into the Kombund. This seems however to have been a mere agreement on paper that was never implemented, a manoeuver by the Communists to attract support from Bundists as the Bund was more powerful than them in the Belarusian cities.^[1]" - this seems to refer to the Komfarband of Bielorussia and Lithuania? The dates appear mixed up, however. But I don't think this process happened twice
"In 1921, at its Thirteenth Conference of the still "General Jewish Labour Bund in Lithuania, Poland and Russia", i.e. then in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, a majority of the Bundist delegates decided to dissolve the party, and part of its membership joined the R.C.P.(B.) on the basis of the rules of admission,^[2] while the minority formed the Social Democratic Bund." - there is nothing specifically 'Belorussian' about this passage. The Gomel conference was the conference of the Russian Bund. This conference is discussed in the main Bund article.
"In West Belarus, that was part of interwar Poland, the remnants of the party finally merged into the Polish Bund, while many activists chose to join the Polish Communist Party." - this passage is now included in the main Bund article. Need a reference, though.

--Soman (talk) 19:15, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

^ Levin, Nora (1990). The Jews in the Soviet Union Since 1917: Paradox of Survival. New York: New York University Press. p. 62. ISBN 978-0-8147-5051-3. Retrieved 2009-11-10.
^ explanatory note to Lenin, Vladimir I. (April 19 – May 6, 1920). "To Members of the Politbureau of the C.C., R.C.P.(B.)". Marxists Internet Archive. Lenin Internet Archive (2003). Retrieved 2009-11-10., from documents archived at the Central Party Archives, Institute of Marxism-Leninism of the C.C., C.P.S.TJ.

[levin-1] Levin, Nora (1990). The Jews in the Soviet Union Since 1917: Paradox of Survival. New York: New York University Press. p. 62. ISBN 978-0-8147-5051-3. Retrieved 2009-11-10.

[lenin1920-2] xplanatory note to Lenin, Vladimir I. (April 19 – May 6, 1920). "To Members of the Politbureau of the C.C., R.C.P.(B.)". Marxists Internet Archive. Lenin Internet Archive (2003). Retrieved 2009-11-10., from documents archived at the Central Party Archives, Institute of Marxism-Leninism of the C.C., C.P.S.TJ.

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