Talk:Gender neutrality in languages with gendered third-person pronouns

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Section size for Gender neutrality in languages with gendered third-person pronouns (37 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	2,331	2,331
Overview of grammar patterns in languages	48	8,939
No gender distinctions in personal pronouns	2,278	2,278
Grammatical gender	2,357	2,357
Gender distinctions only in third-person pronouns	1,692	1,692
Issues concerning gender and pronoun usage	2,564	2,564
Gender-neutral pronouns in modern standard English	11,540	72,977
Singular they as a gender-neutral pronoun	6,298	15,399
Antecedents for singular they	3,710	3,710
Speaker variation	5,391	5,391
Reference to males and females	40	16,507
Generic he	9,318	9,318
He or she, (s)he	6,803	6,803
Alternation of she and he	346	346
It as a gender-neutral pronoun	2,188	5,776
For human children	2,929	2,929
For non-human animals	659	659
One as a gender-neutral pronoun	616	616
Historical, regional, and proposed gender-neutral singular pronouns	10,278	10,278
Table of standard and non-standard third-person singular pronouns	12,861	12,861
Emergence of gender-neutral pronouns in languages with grammatical gender	216	13,181
French iel	2,573	2,573
Polish onu and ono	2,683	2,683
Swedish hen	5,088	5,088
Norwegian hen	2,621	2,621
Emergence of gendered pronouns in languages without grammatical gender	76	13,637
Mandarin	63	9,910
Lack of gender contrasts in spoken language	3,126	3,126
Emergence of gender contrasts via orthography	6,721	6,721
Japanese	59	3,651
Emergence of gendered third-person forms	2,183	2,183
Emergence of gendered first-person forms	1,409	1,409
See also	264	490
Specific languages	226	226
Notes	23	23
Further reading	236	236
External links	2,038	2,038
Total	113,852	113,852

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Second option for gender-neutral pronouns in Polish

There is another option for non-binary people who prefer gender-neutral pronouns in Polish language aside from "onu". It's quite similar - it's "ono" which is also used for kids of unknown gender. It's conjugation is: Ono, onego, onemu, ono, onym, onym.

I just thought I'd add this info because I use this set of pronouns myself and I know many people who also do. I.M.BatCat (talk) 23:19, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Polish onu gaining popularity"

I deleted the sentence about "onu" gaining popularity. Zaimki.pl is a website that propagates using pronouns like "onu" so it's biased, therefore lacks NPOV.

"Onu" and zaimki.pl also lacks notability, for example, there is no articles about "onu" or zaimki.pl (or even "dukaizmy") in Polish Wikipedia, which is telling something by itself. In English Wikipedia, in article about "onu", you can also find a template telling reader that it is not meeting Wikipedia's general notability guideline.

It is also worth mentioning, that Krytyka Polityczna (other source) is a far-left magazine and web of institutions/activists of such political option. 2A02:A313:4348:D580:E9BE:5EF0:A3B1:153A (talk) 23:26, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

description of English first- and second-person pronouns as "gender-neutral"

First- and second-person English pronouns developed organically, hence, they're properly described as "unmarked for gender", not by the recent prescriptionist phrase, "gender-neutral". "Gender neutral" is clearly not taxonomic/descriptive, otherwise, the pronoun, "you" would be described as "case neutral". Also, the generic "he", when the referent or antecedent is a mixed-sex group, though it's identical to its masculine use is properly taxonomised as "common gender", not "masculine", similar to how the German articles "der" and "dem" can be masculine or feminine/masculine or neuter respectively, depending on the case.

Looking further through the page, any entry for any usage that was current before 1960, before which the prescriptionist "gender neutrality" was not a thing, e. g., "one" as a generic pronoun, should be deleted or at the least "gender neutral" replaced with "common gender" or "unmarked for gender". 185.205.225.132 (talk) 13:11, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Date format

This article is veering all over the place between at least three inconsistent date formats, and needs to be normalized to one, per MOS:DATEVAR. I'm of a mind to impose DMY, since this subject has nothing to do with the US in particular so doesn't seem to have any cause to use MDY. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 06:34, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]