Talk:Gates of Harvard Yard

Proposed merge of the Harvard gate articles

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To merge the gates into a joint article.

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• 1881 Gate
• 1857 Gate
• Bradstreet Gate
• Holworthy Gate
• Johnston Gate
• Meyer Gate

There are currently a bunch of stubs on Harvard gates, none of which individually have all that much to say about them. Indeed, most of the sources used to make a case for their (dubious, in some cases) notability discuss them as a group. Given this, per WP:PAGEDECIDE, it would make more sense to group them all together in a single List of Harvard University gates article. Sdkb ^talk 19:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

You've commented on the sources used in the stubs, but have you done searches for each to determine if there's other sourcing to add to any of the entries? If there are other sources, I'd prefer to add "incomplete" tags than merge everything. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:05, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

My merger nomination is per PAGEDECIDE, not because I think all the individual gates lack notability on their own. So it doesn't really matter if there are further sources available, unless there are so many sources available that full coverage of the gates would cause the list article to become overlong. And with due respect to the Crimson ego, that's not gonna happen. Sdkb ^talk 20:26, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

I've long thought that all the gates should be in one combined article -- I stubbed one years ago [1] and Another Believer has chipped in as well, and sometime between now and when we die perhaps we'll finish it. So bottom line, I'm fine with a merge (ego notwithstanding). EEng 23:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Support merge for all gates to the one article for short text and context. Klbrain (talk) 00:23, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

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  Y Merger complete. . Note that I've boldly used a simpler title for the joint page (not List of), applying WP:CONCISE, and noting that there was no Harvard University gates article. Klbrain (talk) 15:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Klbrain! Doing the merge by moving the 1857 gate article, rather than starting a new page, means that the associated Wikidata item is still for the 1857 gate, so there is a bit of cleanup in order there. Sdkb ^talk 16:19, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up; I've fixed the Wikidata issue you refer to. I tend to prefer to 'move' approach, as it more obviously shows the history of the content on the main page (that is, back to 2019 rather than originating in 2024). I think that either approach is reasonable. Klbrain (talk) 16:26, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Misc:

• Johnston Gate needs merging in. I'm afraid I just don't have time right now.
• I've moved the article to Gates of Harvard Yard since that's the real subject. There are gates elsewhere at Harvard (e.g. Radcliffe Quadrangle) which deserve their own article.

EEng 20:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Infoboxes

Currently only the 1857 gate section has an infobox. Should all sections have an infobox? Should none of them have an infobox? I think we should be consistent. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:28, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

How about we leave them out until the article is far more developed. EEng 16:43, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

 Removed We might consider a single table format with columns for name, image, description, coordinates, etc. unless we think keeping separate sections as prose makes any possible forking easier in the future. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

I think it's too early to know whether a table format will be appropriate. And since they're a LOT of trouble to set up, hard to maintain, and hard to dismantle if it turns out to be a mistake, I suggest we keep the current section format for the time being. I suspect there will eventually be more text for each gate than will fit well in a table. EEng 20:34, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Sources

Sources:

• Harvard Graduates Magazine v10 P207.3 (?) -- see index: photos 1886 gate, 1873, 1874 1877 1857 1889 1890 mckean "south view of the college in 1823"
• Harvard Graduates Magazine v12 p108: 1880 gate
• https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2005/12/enter-to-grow-in-wisdom/
• https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2016/05/the-history-of-harvard-gates/
• https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/08/the-gates-that-frame-harvard-yard/
• https://harvardmagazine.com/2013/07/gates-of-harvard-yard
• https://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/style/2016/05/23/the-gates-harvard-yard/6uhIijG2WP69RI76ELTO5N/story.html
• https://www.bostonmagazine.com/property/2016/04/01/gates-of-harvard-yard/
• https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/travel/blair-kamin-architecture-harvard-yard.html
• "New Gate to be Built by Class of 1881". The Harvard Crimson. Archived from the original on 2020-08-20. Retrieved 2019-12-26.

EEng 16:52, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• [2] is an excellent source, and also discusses Radcliffe gates. Replacement of Lamont Gate and Dudley Gate should be discussed. Now Solomon Gate.