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Assyrian stalkers

Those Assyrians has to stop posting nonsense about our villages. I belong to the original Christian Basoki family. We settled this village before the other families and Kurds moved to Keferbe. We identify ourselves as Arameans and not as Assyrians. We originally come from the Levant area and have nothing to do with Assyrians from Mesopotamia. We will undo any change about our beautiful village. 2A02:A45F:ADD7:1:5234:35AF:3F1:A64A (talk) 23:29, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I am neither Assyrian nor Aramean, but have seen the edit warring ongoing. I know that ethnic affiliations can be a touchy and divisive subject, and, while I don't want to disparage your first-hand testimony, it would be great to have verifiable sources talking about your village's Aramean population, as word of mouth isn't the standard for sourcing on Wikipedia. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 20:16, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We are the original family of this beautiful village and we have never chosen to be called Assyrian. We have the right to express ourself as Aramean and we have the right to do so. We are originally from Aramean lands around Antioch and our DNa does not match with Assyrianism nor with Mesopotamia. This village was empty before our Basoki family came around 800 years ago. We identify ourself as Aramean and our DNA confirms this. 2A02:A45F:ADD7:1:56B8:AEE3:67D4:B626 (talk) 20:50, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We are NOT Assyrians !!!

Stop calling us Assyrians!!! Blocks don't work! We are Arameans. You are literally changing the history of my people. We fought in WW1 against the Kurds as proud Suriac/Aramean. They were killed because of their entity and religion. They didn't died for the Assyrian cause! We will never surrender tot other entities then ARAMEAN! Suryani81 (talk) 08:45, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources that we are Aramean

The Arameans in Ancient Syria" by Herbert Niehr (Handbook of Oriental Studies, Part 106) This work provides a detailed exploration of Aramean history, including the Aramean presence in regions that are now part of Turkey, such as Tur Abdin.

"The Syriac Churches: Their History, Literature, and Theology" by Sebastian P. Brock This book touches upon the history of the Syriac-speaking Christian communities, often referred to as Arameans, in regions like Tur Abdin.

"Arameans, Aramaic, and the Aramean Church" by Habib Afram Afram's work focuses on the historical identity of the Aramean people, including the Christians of Tur Abdin, and their continued use of the Aramaic language.

"The Forgotten Arameans: A Study of the Aramean Heritage in Modern Times" by Numan F. Farsoun This book specifically addresses the modern-day descendants of the Arameans, including the Syriac Christians of Tur Abdin, tracing their lineage and cultural heritage back to ancient Aramean roots.

"The Hidden Pearl: The Aramaic Heritage of the Syriac Church" (3 Volumes) by Sebastian P. Brock, David G. K. Taylor, and Witold Witakowski This multi-volume set explores the Aramaic heritage of the Syriac Orthodox Church, with significant references to the Aramean identity of the Christian communities in Tur Abdin. Suryani81 (talk) 09:04, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

More sources that Syriacs are Arameans (Don't delete this anymore!)

The Historians

Poseidonios from Apamea (ca. 135 BC - 51 BC), was a Greek Stoic philosopher, politician, astronomer, geographer, historian, and teacher. "The people we Greek call Syriacs, they call themselves Arameans".

(See J.G. Kidd, Posidonius (Cambridge Classical Texts and Commentaries, 1988), vol. 2, pt. 2, pp . 955-956)

Strabo (born 63 BC or 64 BC, died ca. 24 AD), a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher is mostly famous for his

Geographika ("Geography")

"Poseidonius conjectures that the names of these nations also are akin; for, says he, the people whom we call Syriacs are by the Syriacs themselves called Arameans."

(The Geography of Strabo, translated by Horace Leonard Jones and published in Vol. I of the Loeb Classical Library edition, 1917, Book I, Chapt. 2, 34)

Flavius Josephus (c. 37 – c. 100 AD (or CE)) was a 1st century Jewish historian and apologist of priestly and royal ancestry who survived and recorded the Destruction of Jerusalem in 70 and later settled in Rome.

"Aram had the Arameans, which the Greeks called Syriacs."

(Antiquities of the Jews, translated by William Whiston in 1737, Book I, Chapt. 6)

Eusebius of Caesarea (c. 275 – May 30, 339), was a bishop of Caesarea in Palestine and is often referred to as the father of

church history because of his work in recording the history of the early Christian church.

"and from Aram the Arameans, which are also called Syriacs"

(Sebastian Brock, "Eusebius and Syriac Christianity," in Harold W. Attridge and Gohei Hata, eds., Eusebius, Christianity, and Judaism (Leiden 1992), p. 226)

Abu Al-husayn 'ali Ibn Al-husayn Al-mas'udi, born 895 in Baghdad [Iraq] and died 957 in al-Fustat [Egypt], was a historian and traveler, known as the “Herodotus of the Arabs.” He was the first Arab to combine history and scientific geography in a large-scale work. "Tur Abdin is the mountain where remnants of the Aramean Syriacs still survive." (Michael Jan de Goeje: Bibliotheca Geographorum Arabicorum III, Leiden 1906, 54, I)

Prof. Dietrich Hermann Hegewisch born Dec. 15, 1746 in Quakenbrück [Germany] and died April 4, 1812 in Kiel, was a

prolific german historian at the University of Kiel with a wide span of interests.

"Do not the Syriacs, as they are usually called, or the Arameans, as they in fact are termed, deserve more attention in world history than they are usually given?" (D.H. Hegewisch: Die Aramäer oder Syrer; ein kleiner Beitrag zur allgemeinen Weltgeschichte, Berlinische Monatschrift, 2, 1794, p. 193)

"The names Syria, Assyria, Mesopotamia, Babylon, etc. stem from the Greeks, who were not familiar with the true geography of these lands when the names first started to be used. Later, partly because of continuing ignorance and partly because of convenience despite having accurate knowledge, they persisted in using them since it would have required something of an effort to give up the old, familiar names and divisions of the countries and switch to the new ones, even if they were more accurate. The old, true, and single name of these lands is Aram; it is mentioned numerous times in the Bible of the Old Testament, and Greek scholars were also familiar with it and probably described the population of these areas as Arameans, though seldom, as they usually continued to use the term Syriac, which had been familiar to the Greeks." (ibid, p. 197)

"The Syriacs or Arameans were not merely a numerous and large people, they were also a much cultivated people." (ibid, p. 307) 145.222.94.129 (talk) 11:45, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]