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Wikipedia has two "Freestyle Chess" articles

More exactly, we have one re-direct (Freestyle chess) and this article (Freestyle Chess), the difference obviously being the case of the letter "C" in "Chess"

Freestyle chess is an Advanced chess variant and re-directs there. Unless anyone objects, I intend to move this article to Freestyle Chess G.O.A.T. Challenge, change the Freestyle chess re-direct to re-direct here, and add a disambiguation to the top of this page to point to the Advanced chess article. Marcus Markup (talk) 15:47, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that "freestyle chess" is now being used as yet another word for Fischer random, so I redirected "Freestyle chess " and "Freestyle Chess" to that page. I also added a link in the See Also section back to this page. Jcbutler (talk) 16:09, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Freestyle Chess" isn't really a name of Fischer random chess/Chess960, it is this event's own branding (in fact the event's website is freestyle-chess.com and Twitter handle is @chess_freestyle). Freestyle Chess has never been used as a name of Fischer random before this event. There's also evidence suggesting that Freestyle Chess is the WP:COMMONNAME for this event specifically^[1]^[2], so I believe that it makes more sense to have "Freestyle Chess" redirect to or be the title of this article, because anyone searching Freestyle Chess is likely looking for this event, and if they're not, we can have the link to Fischer random in a hatnote. 9ninety (talk) 16:19, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Freestyle Chess" isn't really a name of Fischer random chess/Chess960, it is this event's own branding The problem is, sources are saying it is a new name for the variant. From The Guardinan: “Freestyle chess” is a new name for the variant where the back rank pieces are placed randomly, so as to make the game more a test of skill and imagination than memory of book openings. It used to be called Fischer Random after its inventor, then Chess 960 or Chess 9LX after the number of possible starting positions.^[3]. So is chess.com: Freestyle chess is another name for Chess960, which was coined and popularized by a 2024 chess event called the Freestyle G.O.A.T. Challenge. In freestyle chess, the pieces on the back rank are randomized in the starting position.^[4]. Marcus Markup (talk) 19:41, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^ "World champion crushed in freestyle chess". www.ft.com. Retrieved 2024-02-16.
^ McGourty (Colin_McGourty), Colin (2024-02-14). "Freestyle Chess Day 6: It's a Caruana-Carlsen Final!". Chess.com. Retrieved 2024-02-16.
^ https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/feb/16/chess-carlsen-v-caruana-in-freestyle-final-as-ding-loses-seven-in-a-row
^ https://www.chess.com/terms/freestyle-chess

This is a tough one, because as you say yourself, some sources (including chess.com) are saying that Freestyle Chess is the same thing as Fischer Random. There is a conversation going on right now about this on Reddit, with varying opinions. Part of the problem is that there was already a disagreement on what to call the thing, with many people preferring Chess960. So I don't know what the answer is. I'd like to hear other opinions and maybe wait and see what happens in the chess world. Jcbutler (talk) 20:44, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One solution is to disambiguate Freestyle chess with links to this tournament, Fischer random chess, Advanced chess and List of chess variants. My preference is still to have Freestyle chess point to this tournament though.

"Chess 9LX" is another name for Chess960, but the name usually just refers to the St. Louis tournament rather than the actual variant. I don't think "Freestyle chess" will really pick up as a common name for the variant this quickly. 9ninety (talk) 06:05, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I like the idea of a disambiguation page taking them to both articles. Jcbutler (talk) 14:05, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "World champion crushed in freestyle chess". www.ft.com. Retrieved 2024-02-16.

[2] McGourty (Colin_McGourty), Colin (2024-02-14). "Freestyle Chess Day 6: It's a Caruana-Carlsen Final!". Chess.com. Retrieved 2024-02-16.

[3] ttps://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/feb/16/chess-carlsen-v-caruana-in-freestyle-final-as-ding-loses-seven-in-a-row

[4] ttps://www.chess.com/terms/freestyle-chess

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