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POV section and copyright

I have tagged th reception section was POV due to this edit.

It introduced quotes at the end that were not necessary and now unbalance the section. I feel the balance was appropriate before. Furthermore, the lyrics are not exactly needed there and could easily draw the reader to make certain conclusions. It also is a misrepresentation of the source since that particular line of the song is not pointed to as the reason for controversy.

These two issues make the article read like advocacy since prominence is given to one side of the dispute the song discusses.Cptnono (talk) 23:09, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The quotes from Beck could also lead the reader to understand the exact opposite of his intent with the quote while also making the article about poking fun at him instead of discussing the song. That is further reasoning for the tag.Cptnono (talk) 23:23, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, linking to a copyrighted video on a site that does not hold its rights is contributory copyright infringement. Cptnono (talk) 23:32, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I considered not reading the tag but after no discussion I still thought "In response, a piece in the progressive Salem News wrote from different viewpoint that Beck was in effect "promoting the new song, Freedom for Palestine before it has even been released." and that Beck by his words had contributed to "calls for the West Bank security barrier to be toppled, it calls for human rights and justice for all." [4] FreedomOneWorld's project YouTube channel called attention to Beck's coverage by calling it a "hilarious meltdown".[5]"was inappropriate. It still reads as if it is poking fun. It would make sense to keep it if we added more info from Beck but I doubt that is needed. I do think it is better than when I fisrt place the tag, though and I appreciate the work put in to do that. And there is still a copyright issue with the link.Cptnono (talk) 19:04, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not familiar with Beck or his shows, so I don't feel very strongly about this (but having just watched the clip of his program, I can see why some people might think it "hilarious"). We just report here what the sources say; if someone wants to add criticism from another source, that would fine by me. --NSH001 (talk) 21:30, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've now re-written much of the article to use a new WP:RS, and removed material from salem-news.com, quite a different organisation than Salem News as previously (and erroneously) stated in the article. I believe this addresses all the points above. --NSH001 (talk) 15:04, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work.Cptnono (talk) 06:03, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

opening

The opening paragraph now has the opposite problem of POV. It reads sarcastically "The perceived injustice..." I think the entire article needs to be reworded to be neutral and objective. This shouldn't be an article for pro-palestinian or pro-israeli posters to score points. 98.110.177.20 (talk) 23:50, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I actually added that. It wasn't an attempt to belittle the concerns but I thought it was inappropriate to make a statement that validates one side of the argument. I' not completely comfortable with it and would be OK if it was adjusted. Maybe "what the artists see as injustice"? or "about what can be considered" or "what has been called injustice"? I would even be OK with "what is often considered" but see a definitive statement of Wikipedia endorsement of one side over the other as a problem.Cptnono (talk) 23:52, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I changed it to "what some see". Any other suggestions for neutrality? --Threeafterthree (talk) 04:06, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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