Talk:Franz Klarwein

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A fact from Franz Klarwein appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 15 May 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Franz Klarwein, a tenor at the Bavarian State Opera from 1942 to 1977, appeared in world premieres such as those of Capriccio by Richard Strauss and Die Harmonie der Welt by Paul Hindemith?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2020/May. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Franz Klarwein.

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The result was: promoted by Kingsif (talk) 03:08, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the tenor Franz Klarwein performed in the 1944 dress rehearsal for the world premiere of Die Liebe der Danae at the Salzburg Festival, not at the 1951 premiere there, but in the in the UK and the Swiss premiere a year later? Source: [1]
- ALT1:... that Franz Klarwein, a tenor of the Bavarian State Opera from 1942 to 1977, appeared in world premieres such as Capriccio by Richard Strauss, and Hindemith's Die Harmonie der Welt? Source: same

Reviewed: ~~to come~~
Comment: the original - with an opera rehearsed in 1944 but played in 1951 - is more unique, but I don't know how to word more concisely.

Moved to mainspace by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 22:02, 7 April 2020 (UTC).[reply]

New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced. As sources are in German, unable to check for close paraphrasing. QPQ still needed. How about this idea for the first hook:
ALT0a: ~~... that nine years after performing in the dress rehearsal for the world premiere of Die Liebe der Danae at the Salzburg Festival, the tenor Franz Klarwein sang in the UK and Swiss premieres?~~ Yoninah (talk) 21:44, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Mampuru II. It's a case of 200 chars being not enough. I believe that without "1944" the reader will not even guess that the premiere was cancelled - perhaps we should spell it out, with all the cancelled events these days? - I also think it would be eight years, and not really important. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

QPQ done. Hmm, we might have to ask for IAR on the character count.
ALT0b: ... that the tenor Franz Klarwein performed in the 1944 dress rehearsal for the world premiere of Die Liebe der Danae at the Salzburg Festival, which was cancelled, and later sang in the UK and Swiss premieres? Yoninah (talk) 22:30, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fine. Might we say "much later"? ... or - instead of "later" - "in 1952"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:03, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: as someone who practically lives and breathes DYK rules, I'm feeling uneasy about the growing length of this hook over 200 characters. Since the angle here is quite difficult to summarize, could you suggest another hook angle please? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 19:15, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Should we just go with ALT1? Yoninah (talk) 19:16, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest to drop the Swiss OR the UK then. In a situation of cancellation after cancellation, the fact that the premiere of an opera by one of the leading composers at the time was cancelled between dress rehearsal and performance (which is usually just one day) seems relevant, and then the same singer NOT asked for the premiere years later, but for these others - UK probably more relevant - all that is so unique that I don't want to say instead that the composer used to play cards with the singer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:48, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What about ALT1, btw? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:27, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, let's just do ALT1. Foreign language hook refs AGF (though I'm beginning to understand German) and cited inline. ALT1 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 22:34, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]