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As standard lists of Presidents of the United States indicate, Franklin Pierce was the first President to have been born in the 19th century. While one person has questioned whether this "notable," it is factual, and I think it is proper to include the information. The article on Dwight Eisenhower notes that he was the last President to have been born in the 19th century, and the article on John F. Kennedy states that he was the first President born in the 20th century. If it is proper to include such information for Eisenhower and Kennedy, it is proper to include it in this article.John Paul Parks (talk) 06:14, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is a FA, the others aren't. It passed the FA process without it, and was still deemed comprehensive. And the relevancy is greater with a more recent century. May I enquire if you added that information to the articles in question?--Wehwalt (talk) 07:56, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, this gets into the matter of a century start being in year __01. Fillmore was born in 1800, and there was no year 0. Carlm0404 (talk) 19:01, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Why didn't you tell about what document you were sworn upon. I really need to know that because I am doing this paper on presidents and stuff for extra credit and when I looked online all it said about is you birth certificate, Torah, Koran, Constitution, and Declaration of Independence. None of that was helpful because I only need one answer. Now that I started this paper it means that I can't quit now because I want full credit and I don't even know what happens if I don't finish the paper because my teacher didn't tell me. It really would be nice if you would have had that information on there. If it is there then let me know because I might have missed it because I was zooming down real fast to find a topic about that stuff. This paper is due, November 9 and I really want to get it done!! So I can show my teacher I love extra work and extra credit. Please, please, please, please I am begging you to write something on there about that stuff. I really would like that. I will know that your dead if you don't answer back but still if you are not dead please put that stuff up. I will cross my fingers that you are not dead!!! Write back as soon as possible.
That's correct, but King died on April 18, 1853 -- only 45 days after the beginning of Pierce's presidential term. He was the only U.S. Vice-President never to carry out any of the duties of said office.--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 00:03, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I remember as a kid learning this president as "Franklin B. Pierce." I found a book about him on Amazon that refers to him in the title as as "Franklin B. Pierce," so I know I'm not crazy. This edited was reverted, though. --Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 20:32, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry I rolled it back, I should have undid it. But I know of nothing that says he had middle initial/name and presidents are usually pretty well studied.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:44, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia policy is to use the last names of women (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Writing_about_women#Use_surnames). In this article, Jane Pierce is almost exclusively referred to by her first name. While I understand that her last name is the same as the subject of the article, in paragraphs where both Pierces are referred to, consider using both their first names.
I've done some of that, especially in the earlier parts of the article. Feel free to change anything else that needs it in your view. I understand the reasons for this, but some of the phrasings become a bit awkward.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:55, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Is that the only time this happened? There are several cases where the elected President chose not to seek re-election, although I know that Truman and Lyndon Johnson did so after having started runs for re-nomination. Afterthought: What was Wilson thinking in 1920? Carlm0404 (talk) 19:08, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The Wallner quote from a C-SPAN interview doesn't refer to military action, but to social action.
Here's the referenced quote: He also thought - and he sincerely believed this - that if the North hadn't attacked the South so much for being for this moral sin of slavery, that the South eventually over time would have ended slavery on its own, that he felt that the Civil War was unnecessary.
That means it was, in Pierce's opinion, the relentless Northern abolitionist agitation against Southern slavery that brought on literal warfare; a social campaign against slavery became a military campaign against secession. The quote is set in a paragraph about Pierce and abolition. Notice the 1835 Pierce quote against it: "One thing must be perfectly apparent to every intelligent man. This abolition movement must be crushed or there is an end to the Union."
In expanding the section, User:Antiok 1pie partially quoted Wallner: "After the Civil War, Pierce believed that if the North hadn't attacked the South, the latter would have eventually ended slavery on its own . . ." Dropping the phrase, "so much for being for this moral sin of slavery," gave the impression that Wallner was talking about military hostilities. So User:Wehwalt tweaked it with "Pierce believed that war had not come," which I assume was a typo for "Pierce believed that had war not come. . ."
I've rewritten the passage with a paraphrase: "Pierce believed that if the North hadn't so aggressively agitated against Southern slavery . . ." YoPienso (talk) 02:11, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I added [clarification needed] to this sentence in the third paragraph under "U.S. Senate": "He challenged a bill that would expand the ranks of the Army's staff officers in Washington without any apparent benefit to line officers at posts in the rest of the country." Did the bill become law? If it did not, then "would expand" should be "would have expanded." If it did, then "would expand" should be ", after it was enacted, expanded." Maurice Magnus (talk) 00:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I propose to replace the lead with this image, which is the least-retouched photograph of him I can find at high resolution. (no obvious retouching, at least), or [1] which looks a little odd around the cravat, but is probably a stronger image overall. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs.21:39, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This looks good. Not that I was unhappy with the one we are currently using, but I agree that headshots are a bit better for the infobox, and this one somehow makes you feel closer to the guy.
I would not take it for granted that either of these photos is "less retouched" than the others. Good retouching should leave you not knowing that it was done! But if you have found some telltale sign of retouching, that would count against whichever photo it was in. Bruce leverett (talk) 01:41, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I most definitely believe that the headshot is better for the infobox, but I'd like the input of a few more editors before I try making this the lead image. Want to make sure there's at least a bit of a consensus for the change. Best regards, Robertus Pius (Talk • Contribs)02:50, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’d like to propose a new lead image. I think B would serve as a better lead image and the current can be incorporated somewhere in the article. I think B makes you feel closer to Pierce and allows you to see what his face looked like in better detail. I look forward to hearing everybody’s thoughts. Thanks, Robertus Pius (Talk • Contribs)22:13, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The only thing I would say is that I'd be opposed to any image of Pierce after around 1860. I'm not sure when alcoholism and depression (then melancholy) started having prototypical detriment to the man. However, some of the later images in his life do not do him justice as a result of personal tragedy, mental health issues, and substance abuse. -- Sleyece (talk) 09:33, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would prefer some version of A because it appears to depicts him while he was President of the United States which is what he primarily famous for in the first place. Emiya1980 (talk) 02:13, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but A seems to hold the distinction of being made of him during his presidency. Since there is some likelihood it depicts him within that timeframe as opposed to one year after said period, I prefer it over B. Emiya1980 (talk) 02:30, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here are three more images of Franklin Pierce which were made on dates within the timeframe of his presidency.
C is a cropped version of A. It might be preferable to A if you prefer head-and-shoulders shots for the infobox. I do not like D because the background on the left (Pierce's right) is too close in shade to his hair and his suit. E is painted portrait with nice color, and would be appropriate, but I like the facial expressions of A, B, and C. Bruce leverett (talk) 14:27, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
One comment on the article-- it is absolutely a misstatement that 'Lincoln easily won re-election' in 1864- Lincoln struggled mightily during his re election campaign in 1864-considered THE most important election in American history- and at times even he thought he was going to lose. It took the victory of Union forces at Atlanta to turn the tide of the war and the election. 70.23.10.89 (talk) 00:24, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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