Talk:Frankie Randall (singer)

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This article has been updated and corrected by GedFit, with information supplied directly by Mr Frankie Randall. Until further notice, it is 100% accurate. GedFit (talk) As of 1st May, 2009, this article has been expanded and updated by Ged Fitzsimmons (GedFit), a musical historian from Canberra, Australia, and fully approved by Mr Frankie Randall, the subject of the article.GedFit (talk) 07:03, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 07:03, 1 May 2009 (UTC). Substituted at 15:30, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Lead

As of January 2, 2023, the lead reads:

Frankie Randall (born Franklin Joseph Lisbona; January 11, 1938 – December 28, 2014) was an American singer, dancer, songwriter, vocalist, actor, and comedian. His acting credits include The Dean Martin Summer Show and Day of the Wolves.

MOS:ROLEBIO says this:

The lead sentence should describe the person as they are commonly described in reliable sources. The noteworthy position(s) or role(s) the person held should usually be stated in the opening paragraph. However, avoid overloading the lead paragraph with various and sundry roles; instead, emphasize what made the person notable. Incidental and non-noteworthy roles (i.e. activities that are not integral to the person's notability) should usually not be mentioned in the lead paragraph.^[a]

Here is how the sources cited in the article refer to him:

Los Angeles Times: "singer and pianist"
The Hollywood Reporter: "vocalist, pianist, actor"
The Desert Sun: "singer-pianist"

Based on this I plan to modify the lead to refer to him as a "singer and pianist". That is not to exclude other "occupations" or "roles" like "acting" from the article (which can be mentioned in the main text), but from the bulk of the article and the cited sources, his notability is tied to being a "singer and actor". Being a "comedian" or a "dancer" is not supported by any sources. That is not to say he did not dance or that he did not appear in comedy productions, just that those are not supported enough to be mentioned in the main text, much less in the lead. I also think that just being in a comedy production does not make one a "comedian". But if you have reliable sources that do call him a dancer or comedian, then it might be eligible to go in, but keep in mind WP:WEIGHT, which says:

... in determining proper weight, we consider a viewpoint's prevalence in reliable sources, not its prevalence among Wikipedia editors or the general public

In addition to the lead, I will modify the |occupation= parameter in the infobox and the {{Short description}}. If you agree, disagree, or want to discuss further, feel free to reply here.

Notes

^ In general, a position, activity, or role should not be included in the lead paragraph if: a) the role is not otherwise discussed in the lead (per MOS:LEAD, don't tease the reader), b) the role is not significantly covered in the body of the article, or, c) the role is auxiliary to a main profession of the person (e.g. do not add "textbook writer", if the person is an academic).

— Archer1234 (talk) 14:00, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] In general, a position, activity, or role should not be included in the lead paragraph if: a) the role is not otherwise discussed in the lead (per MOS:LEAD, don't tease the reader), b) the role is not significantly covered in the body of the article, or, c) the role is auxiliary to a main profession of the person (e.g. do not add "textbook writer", if the person is an academic).

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