Talk:Frances Vorne

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A fact from Frances Vorne appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 12 September 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that a photograph of Frances "The Shape" Vorne wearing a swimsuit made from remnants of a captured Nazi parachute (pictured) was one of the most sought-after pin-ups of World War II?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/September. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Frances Vorne.

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The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet (talk) 11:06, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Frances Vorne in Yank, the Army Weekly, February 1945

... that a photograph of Frances "The Body" Vorne (pictured) wearing a swimsuit made from remnants of a captured Nazi parachute was one of the most sought after pin-ups of World War II? Source: here ("Frances Vorne has a soldier friend who came home from overseas a few days ago with a present of the remnants of a German parachute. Frances ... found that there was just enough cloth left from it to make this abbreviated bathing suit.") and here ("Countless soldiers pinned up Frances's most famous pin-up still. . . . Not only was the pin-up Frances's personal favorite, but it was one of the most sought after pin-up photographs of the war years. ... Frances 'The Shape' Vorne was photographed on a beach wearing a bikini made from a captured Nazi's parachute.")
- Reviewed: James B. Tapp

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:04, 18 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Frances Vorne; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing: - Some technicalities i'd like fixed.
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Cbl62: Good article. If we're being technical though, citation 3 doesn't mention that she can write fluently in russian and ukrainian, only that she could speak and read. Along with that, citation 4 doesn't have a page number. Fix these and i'll approve. Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:25, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks OGJ. I tweaked cite two to refer to speaking and reading. Google books doesn't let me see the page numbers on the Kiser book, but here' a link (this) if you want to see it in the preview. Cbl62 (talk) 23:02, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'd also ask to consider the following alt hook that includes a link to the newly-created Pin-ups of Yank, the Army Weekly. The latter doesn't have enough text to be bold-linked as an official DYK, but it would be nice if it could be included as part of Vorne's hook:

alt 1 ...... that a Yank pin-up of Frances "The Body" Vorne (pictured) wearing a swimsuit made from remnants of a captured Nazi parachute was one of the most sought after pin-ups of World War II? Cbl62 (talk) 23:07, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good now. Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:11, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I ended up nominating Pin-ups of Yank, the Army Weekly as a separate DYK, so I assume it is better to use alt0 for Ms. Vorne ... or combine the two noms and bold Yank pin-up here. I'm fine with either of these solutions. Cbl62 (talk) 16:18, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Biographical details?

Surely more is known of Vorne's early life than that she was born in New York c. 1925. If the rest of her background is truly unknown (again, I really doubt that), the article should say so. Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 14:54, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I will add that Google says that she died on August 8, 1990. It seems Wikipedia has mischaracterized her as a living person. I'll also say that the bulk of this article presents Ms. Vorne as simply "The Shape": it falls into the sexist trope of defining a woman in terms of the male gaze. I guess I don't know what Wikipedia standards are with respect to this issue. Lapisphil (talk) 15:43, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ancestry.com is showing Frances Vorne/Bazduch born 30 May 1920, married 27 Oct 1938, and dying 8 Aug 1990; however, these are primary sources and may not be suitable. Spheroidite (talk) 16:12, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The article establishes as fact that Frances Vorne was known professionally as "The Shape" and that she became famous for modeling a two-piece swimsuit. Is any of that a "sexist trope," or is it a statement of historical fact? 2603:800C:3A40:6400:7C82:B000:C781:1159 (talk) 21:14, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]