Talk:Fotos y Recuerdos

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Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
January 8, 2012	Good article nominee	Listed
October 8, 2016	Good topic candidate	Promoted

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on January 6, 2012.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that "Fotos Y Recuerdos" was positioned at number four on the US Hot Latin Tracks the day Selena was murdered?

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DYK nomination

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Fotos Y Recuerdos/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Jivesh boodhun (talk · contribs) 10:06, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like I am going to enjoy reading this. :P Jivesh1205 (Talk) 10:06, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Media review (though there is none)

A music sample can be beneficial to the reader's understanding. If you can upload or ask someone to upload one, it should be 16 second long. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 10:09, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

Good. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:12, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Prose

lead

recorded by American recording artist Selena from her fifth studio album --> for
For consistency, add (1982) after "Back on the Chain Gang" or say the Pretenders' 1982 song
In the first paragraph, ""Fotos y recuerdos" has been used too closely. Please find alternatives.
that has influences --> contains - Make the correction in Music, theme and lyrics as well
is about a lonely women who --> is about a lonely women who,
on the Billboard Top Latin Songs Year-End Chart and number one --> on the Billboard Top Latin Songs Year-End Chart, and number one
music critics who believed --> music critics, who believed
while many agree --> Use past tense
With "Fotos y recuerdos" and thirteen other of Selena's top-ten singles in the Hot Latin Songs chart she was named "top Latin artist of the '90s" and "Best selling Latin artist of the decade" by Billboard --> With "Fotos y recuerdos" and thirteen other of Selena's top-ten singles in the Hot Latin Songs chart, she was named "Top Latin artist of the [19]90s" and "Best selling Latin artist of the decade" by Billboard magazine - Make the correction elsewhere if needed
All Done Jona yo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 22:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Inspiration, production and songwriting controversy

While on tour for the Selena Live! Tour, --> Very choppy prose
Before recording sessions took place at Selena's father and manager Abraham Quintanilla Jr.'s recording studio Q-Productions, Quintanilla III had asked Selena if she wanted to record the song, she then supported the project. --> This sentence is a bit long in the sense that it illustrates many steps. You can cut it don into two sentences.
How would you suppose I end the first period? I tried but it didn't seem right to me. Jona yo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 22:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lol. You just need to make two sentences instead of one. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 06:11, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done Jona yo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 00:05, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

was in charge with sequencing the song --> of
reminisce --> Apply past tense
Link sampled to Sampling (music)
All Done Jona yo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 22:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Music, theme and lyrics

Link octave to where appropriate.
I can't find any other link that is appropriate. Do you have an alternative one I don't know about? Jona yo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 22:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, simply octave. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 06:04, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done Jona yo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 00:05, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lori Beth Rodriguez wrote in her book Mapping Tejana epistemologies: Contemporary (re)constructions of Tejana noted that "Fotos y recuerdos" --> Cut one of the verbs
If its the book, that's how it is spelled. Jona yo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 22:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have a problem with the spelling. ?You are using verbs in the wrong place. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 06:04, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unlink sample as you have to link it in its first occurrence
while also stating that --> ,adding that
The song tells --> The song or the lyrics?
her beloved each night before falling asleep." --> Why do I see that end quote?
Because its part of the quote. Jona yo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 22:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Where does it start? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 06:04, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Such a romantic view on the part of a woman for a man is echoed in Borderlands songs like "Fotos y recuerdos," sung by Selena of Corpus Christi. The song tells how a lonely woman kisses the photo of her beloved each night before falling asleep." Jona yo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 00:05, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Young rockers could identify with ["Fotos y recuerdos",] which took the melody of the New Wave act [the Pretenders]". --> Read WP:LQ and apply it here and everywhere else where necessary.
Link violins in the second paragraph
Link chorus to where appropriate
Link pop to where appropriate
All Done Jona yo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 22:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Release and chart performance, Critical reception

Create a section called Released and reception, then all this information. No need for such short individual sections.
"Fotos y recuerdos" was the fourth single from Amor prohibido and was released on February 11, 1995. --> "Fotos y recuerdos" was released as the fourth single from Amor prohibido on February 11, 1995.
El Chico del Apartamento 512 --> El Chico del Apartamento 512 (1995)\
Per WP:ALBUMCAPS Spanish-language songs are not supposed to be capitalize after the first word. Jona yo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 22:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What? Did I ever asked for that? I told you to add the year in brackets. Jivesh1205 (Talk)

Sorry, Jona yo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 00:05, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is B-side with a major B
What? Jona yo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 22:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is B-side not b-side. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 06:05, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done Jona yo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 00:05, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

on its eleven week --> on its eleventh charting week
Many music critics believe that "Fotos y recuerdos" is an "improvement" and/or a "better version" of the Pretenders' original version --> Apply past tense
in the United States --> in the US
Overuse of "Fotos y recuerdos"
believed that the song was one of Selena's signature songs --> it
Apply the corrections in the lead to the last sentence here.
All Done Jona yo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 22:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Tributes

Over use of the word song
Link salsa
Link San Antonio Express-News
Rubio also sung the song --> Why are you using sung? It should be sang. But use perform for variation
All Done Jona yo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 22:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

More

Track listings and formats --> Formats and track listings

Done Jona yo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 22:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Credits and personnel

Good

Charts

Apply WP:ACCESS
I am unable to do this for the Hot Single Sales and the Latin 50 as there has not, yet, been one provided.

Note: Do you remember how you failed this article for only a few issues that could have easily been handled? Frankly, it was unfair. I can fail "Fotos Y Recuerdos" right now based solely on that huge amount of choppy prose it contains. But I won't because I believe that these issues can be dealt with. Remember that you have to give nominators the chance to apply the corrections and not/NEVER fail an article straightaway (unless it is really horrible). This is a friendly advice. :D Jivesh1205 (Talk) 10:48, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The ol' days lolz. Yes I do remember, back then I was still on training and didn't know a lot of information that I do now :D Best, Jona yo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 22:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I really hope you don't repeat that. :) Jivesh1205 (Talk) 06:06, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References

1. Missing publisher. It is Tribune Company and please use {{cite news}}
3. Missing publisher. It is MediaNews Group and please use {{cite news}}
12. Missing publisher. It is Berkshire Hathaway and please use {{cite news}}
16. Missing publisher. It is MediaNews Group and please use {{cite news}}. Do not link the publisher again.
17. Missing publisher. It is A. H. Belo Corporation and please use {{cite news}}
18. Since when is Billboard published by Rovi Corporation
If you scroll down to the bottom of Billboard.com you can see that it is powered by Rovi. Jona yo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 22:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It nevertheless is neither the owner nor the publisher. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 06:07, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

20 & 21 You are supposed to use {{cite web}} for magazines.
Why? I used {{cite journal}} and have never been questioned about it in all previous GANs of mine. Jona yo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 22:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I did not realize it was the physical copy. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 06:10, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

24. Why is that NPR in italics? And it is simply NPR. It is published by National Public Radio, Inc.
25. Missing publisher. It is The McClatchy Company and please use {{cite news}}
27 & 29 Refer to 17 & 16
28. Missing publisher. It is Tribune Company and please use {{cite news}}. Do not over-link
32. Missing publisher. It is Hearst Corporation and please use {{cite news}}
36. Serious over-linking and use {{cite web}}. Look at the note I left below
42. Missing publisher. It is Hearst Corporation and please use {{cite news}}. Do not link the publisher again.
44. Missing publisher. It is Lee Enterprises and please use {{cite news}}.
45. Refer to 32 and avoid over-linking
46. Refer to 18
48. Refer to 36 and the note I left below.

Note that you are supposed to use cite wen for Billboard unless you are sourcing your data from the physical magazine available at Google Books, then use cite journal.

All

Done Jona yo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 22:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As it currently stands

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

- Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:10, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I will get back to this shortly. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 16:47, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Passing. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 16:03, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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