Talk:Fortune favours the bold
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The phrase was used as the motto of the Royal Air Force station based at East Fortune, in East Lothian. The base was operational in the First World War and between 1940 and 1947.
[edit]Should this be "Second World War", or are the years wrong? Larry660 (talk) 04:35, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Unimportant Discussion
[edit]It seems like this is not a very good motto if the people who made it famous died shortly after saying it. :-/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.90.11.207 (talk) 05:03, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
I agree. With my study of Latin, this could also be translated as "Luck aids the strong." I'm not certain where "they" get "bold" from "strong" as the physical characteristic doesn't really translate into fearlessness, i.e. boldness. Proof of this is demonstrated by the English word "fortitude" which means strength, while boldness is expressed modernly in words like "audacity" (from audax, audacis). Fortuna is the Roman goddess of luck, chance, and wealth, and that's where we get "Lady Luck" from (usually cited with reference to gambling, besides the word taking feminine form). I also wouldn't use "help" in this construct as that is what the root verb (iuvare) without the ad- prefix by itself means. To aid is more in the aspect of bringing help to, which does recognize the prepositional verbal prefix's meaning. 184.1.11.211 (talk) 03:59, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
DSN Episode
[edit]Hey. I added quotes and changed the spelling to the American Version of "Favor" for the DSN episode. I don't want to deal with American vs British spelling; the rules say it stays how it is. However, since this is a proper name, I feel it should be the way the name actually is. Please don't revert this without discussing why it should be.
On a related note, is the name of the Boston, MA company "Fortune Favours the Bold" or "Fortune Favors the Bold"? I think it would probably be the second; however, I couldn't find any info on it online. In fact, that line seems like it's Self-Promotion (and is unsourced), but as the article is a stub as-is, I couldn't bring myself to shorten it further. Maybe someone else could. - Maxvip (talk) 22:54, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Regarding the DS9 episode, I agree. It is a proper name, so "favor" is correct, not "favour".--Witan (talk) 03:16, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
The Captain Sisko quote from Deep Space Nine should be included in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.102.159.147 (talk) 14:14, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
Requested move 26 August 2018
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The result of the move request was: No consensus. No such user (talk) 11:45, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
Fortune favours the bold → Fortune favours the brave – WP:COMMONNAME. Unreal7 (talk) 22:15, 26 August 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. bd2412 T 18:51, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
- Neutral, just like this n-gram. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:47, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
- Support. https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pliny_the_Elder It is more usually, historically, translated "Fortune favours the brave". Supported by Randy's ngram result. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:17, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose. The current title is the WP:COMMONNAME. Rreagan007 (talk) 20:40, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose I've only ever heard of it said the current title's way and not the proposed way.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 07:06, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
- Support per SmokeyJoe. More references
- Comment. I'm wondering whether this is an WP:ENGVAR issue? As a Brit, I've only ever heard it said as "Fortune favours the brave". I'd be interested to hear from American editors whether this is the case.
If it's not an ENGVAR issue, then support.-- Necrothesp (talk) 12:26, 5 September 2018 (UTC)- Given the article uses the British English "favours" instead of the American English "favors" (and always has done) I'm definitely going for Support. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:37, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose. This does appear to be an ENGVAR issue. See Merriam Webster. Calidum 21:38, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
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Bad article
[edit]The article is just a compilation of occurrences throughout history, but it fails to explain the actual meaning of the phrase. --81.89.200.2 (talk) 12:58, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
I agree. Jhurley85 (talk) 01:58, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
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Is adding a reference to John Wick (first film) appropriate?
[edit]In a scene close to the beginning of the movie, a scene shows the Keanu Reeves character from the back upper torso and clearly visible is a tattoo across his upper back reading “fortis fortuna adiuvat”. I think this is an interesting fact though it is a pop culture one. Other articles have much more trivial examples but this is a Latin phrase so it seems inherently high brow and perhaps different standards. Anyone have an opinion? I’m happy to add it, under the U.S. near Yale university. Their reputation has dropped considerably since it has embraced humanities classes that are woke, a joke, and critter trash from the slow poke folk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sychonic (talk • contribs) 22:27, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
Seems fine to me. BerylliumFrog (talk) 10:57, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Earliest attestation date
[edit]Please provide the earliest attestation date(s) for audentes Fortuna iuvat, audentes Fortuna adiuvat, Fortuna audaces iuvat, and audentis Fortuna iuvat.
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Article reads like a list of trivial references
[edit]This article is a list of trivial references to organizations that have used the phrase as a motto throughout history. This doesn't seem to be encyclopedic. This article would be improved if the entirety of the the "Historical Examples" were removed and replaced by a list of variants with explanations and a brief note that the phrase is the motto of many military organizations. The bit of trivia that some organization has this as their motto is more properly considered a fact about that organization, not something that needs to be recorded on this page. Kevinpet (talk) 06:10, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Section: Historical examples
[edit]Err, those appear to be mostly *current* examples, not historical at all. 86.26.33.25 (talk) 20:29, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Matt Damon misquoted
[edit]Under the section In popular culture it has this: “In 2021, Matt Damon appeared in an advertisement for Crypto.com encouraging investors using the proverb ("Fortune favors the bold")”. In that commercial he actually says the alternate “Fortune favors the brave” instead. I would change it myself but I’m tired of arguing with people, so I’ll let someone else take the flak instead. 2600:1700:4E10:C690:F1DA:B008:B90A:DB27 (talk) 17:05, 20 October 2024 (UTC)