Talk:Flageolet

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Flageolet in Flooding

I have also seen the word flageolet used in relation to flooding. During the recent floods in the UK, the news said that "flageolets were being put in place". Anyone got info on this?Fitzgt (talk) 14:31, 10 July 2012 (UTC)--Fitzgt (talk) 14:31, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It would greatly help if you pointed out the source of your query. The only search return for the above sentence fragment directs back to your question in this very talk page (and the various WP mirrors). Elemtilas (talk) 22:15, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wait just a minute!

"Small versions of this instrument, called bird flageolets were also made and were used for teaching birds to sing." There's got to be more to it than that! Teach them to sing particular tunes? Teach them to sing in cages? Teach non-songbirds to sing? 165.91.65.27 (talk) 03:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)RKH[reply]

Bird flageolets can be used to teach song birds to sing whatever tune you play for them! More important than the actual instrument used is repeating the teaching over and over. The Bird Fancier's Delight was a book of tunes published in 1715 for just this purpose. I don't think you can teach non-song birds to sing! Elemtilas (talk) 18:24, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just made some small changes to the article

"Unusually most french flageolets with keys have register keys, to facilitate harmonics by eliminating the fundamental. This modification is now rarely found on fipple reed instruments."

I don't believe this is true. Out of the two fipple flutes commonly encountered in Western Classical music, one (the recorder) has a register key whilst the other (the penny whistle) does not.

"These were also produced with alternative heads, large ones with flute heads, and small with fife heads."

I have only ever encountered English flageolets in one size which makes me question the flute/fife distinction. --Arcjgh 19:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Recorders with register keys are rare. I have a number of recorders, none of which has a register key. I am also unaware of any use of the penny whistle in Classical music.

JamesBWatson (talk) 22:11, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dilli Kaval

Is there any justification for keeping the section on the "Dilli Kaval"? While it may be related to the flageolet, it does not seem to me that it is a flageolet. If this instrument is notable enough to deserve coverage (and I don't have enough knowledge to judge whether it is) then perhaps it should have its own page; if not, perhaps it should be deleted. JamesBWatson (talk) 22:11, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The same issue arose with the Tin whistle article which describes the origins, evolution and use soley as a British instrument but which User:85.103.138.89 (talk) edited to depict it also as a Turkish instrument, the dilli ney. I invited User:85.103.138.89 (talk) to discuss creating a separate article for the dilli ney but got no response. I've now deleted the Turkish references. Suggest you do the same. -- Timberframe (talk) 16:33, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would advocate moving both sections to its own page. The instrument seems notable, but I'm sure most of our concerns are that it is "hijacking" the page for the flageolet. --Qmwne₂₃₅ 00:13, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Succeeded by the pennywhistle?

I don't believe this is right. The flageolet was more or less an art instrument. The tinwhistle is a mass produced folk pipe. Six-holed folk pipes have been in existence far longer than the flageolet. I am aware that Generation markets their tinwhistles as flageolets, but this is more a generic use of the word, rather than the tinwhistle having evolved from the English flageolet. --Aaron Walden 14:01, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. If nobody objects I propose to change this statement. JamesBWatson (talk) 22:11, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

JamesBWatson, Samuel Pepys seems to have played his flageolet in the same social role as a tinwhistle holds modernly. An easy amateur instrument, played for amusement but rarely taken seriously... HLHJ (talk) 02:31, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Photo removed

This photo of a double reed instrument removed, as double reed instruments are not mentioned in this article. Badagnani (talk) 22:03, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is a strange instrument; it appears to have a small double reed at the top, a large chamber that looks like it might contain a capped double reed, and what appears to be a fipple a bit lower. It also seems to have enough finger holes and keys for a single hand. So what is it, exactly? Badagnani (talk) 22:07, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is indeed a strange instrument. I differ in my interpretation of the photo, I think the top white bit may be static mouthpiece, Your explanation of the barrel section is credible, although the fipple hole just below it would tend to make reeds redundant. Can we leave the photo there as a talking point until a flageolet expert comes up with some explanations? -- Timberframe (talk) 22:34, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The uploader seems to have uploaded about 90% oboes. See [1]. Badagnani (talk) 22:51, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The picture is actually a picture of a typical flageolet. The thing that looks like a double reed is a small piece of ivory, called the beak. The beak is held in the player's lips and contains a wind channel that leads the air down to the business end of the instrument. The beak is rather delicate, and they can break off. Instruments can still be played, since the beak doesn't affect the tone or tuning of the instrument. My only complaint is that all the flageolets depicted are French; there are no English ones shown. Elemtilas (talk) 11:41, 10 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Badagnani was wondering about the large barrel that looks like it might contain a capped double reed. Flageolets often have quite large barrels above their fipple mouthpiece. I believe in one design, the maker included a chamber where the player could put a sponge to absorb condensation. Maybe that's what it is? I'm not a flageolet expert, and don't even want to think about how disgusting the sponge must have got. 79.72.109.130 (talk) 16:54, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

recorder

I'm ignorant of these things. the Flageolet, looks like a recorder to me. Can some one make the distinction betweenthe two and mayby add that to the article? Thanks!Darrell Wheeler (talk) 08:34, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think they're shorter and have fewer finger holes, because they're just played by one hand, like a tabor pipe. Badagnani (talk) 08:36, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Addressing Some Questions

I added a couple sections that address the flageolet's scale and the parts that make up the instrument. This will hopefully help answer questions about distinguishing the flageolet from the recorder or whistle. Elemtilas (talk) 15:38, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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