Talk:First Bishops' War

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A fact from First Bishops' War appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 1 August 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that during the First Bishops' War, the Duke of Hamilton's mother intended to shoot him with silver bullets if he landed in Scotland?

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 18:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that despite plans for multiple concentric invasions, the only fighting during the First Bishops' War was in north-east Scotland?

Source: Brooks 2005: "The only fighting was in northeast Scotland" and Kenyon & Ohlmeyer 1998a: "Between his allies inside Scotland and the concentric blows from outside the country, the king felt confident of victory."

ALT1: ... that during the First Bishops' War Hamilton's mother was armed with silver bullets created to shoot him if he landed in Scotland? Source: His humiliation was completed by his mother, Anna Cunningham, who arrived at Leith at the head of her own troop of horse, brandishing pistols loaded with specially made silver bullets that she intended to use on her son, should he step onto Scottish soil
Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Praetorium of Constantinople
Comment: These facts seemed unusual to me, but would be interested to hear others opinions.

Moved to mainspace by CSJJ104 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 13 past nominations.

CSJJ104 (talk) 21:31, 30 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

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I assume good faith on the references that I can't access, and it's helpful that the nominator included the relevant text. The promoter can choose the hook. SL93 (talk) 00:25, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Bishops' Wars article?

This is a good article but I feel it should somehow be merged with Bishops' Wars? Seems odd to have a detailed article for the FBW but not for the SBW which is arguably a more significant conflict. In any case, lots of duplication here. I'm happy to help with this. What do you think CSJJ104? Jp2207 (talk) 19:28, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I see the issue. There are several cases where a single article provides a summary of multiple related conflicts while each conflict also has its own article, for example Wars of Scottish Independence or even Wars of the Three Kingdoms. Personally I would say this can provide useful coverage with the higher level article providing additional details of how the events relate and a high level overview, while the lower level articles can provide more details that would be unsuitable in such summaries.

In relation to the specific concerns here, possibly the answer is to create an article for the SBW, something I had previously started and will attempt to finish in the next couple of weeks. We could also possibly update Bishops' Wars to work better as a high level overview? --CSJJ104 (talk) 17:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My point is that we should EITHER retain the FBW article, in which case there is merit in a SBW article. If so, then the current “Bishops’ Wars” article should become an overview for both. OR, we have a single, detailed Bishops’ Wars article (the conflicts are afterall, highly related).

I’m agnostic which way to go but the current situation is unsatisfactory. I’m gonna provoke a discussion by putting a link to your FBW article in the current article and we’ll hopefully get positive feedback from other editors. Jp2207 (talk) 19:36, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I had misunderstood. For my part I would favour rewriting Bishops’ Wars. CSJJ104 (talk) 21:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean A) rewrite it to be an overview of FBW and SBW or B) rewriting it to be a single article, merging in the First Bishops' War article? Jp2207 (talk) 21:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]