Talk:Fipple

Embouchure

Much of the section on Embouchure is fanciful and it should be read critically. Citations to support the wild claims made here are notably lacking. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.18.70 (talk) 02:06, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the Swedish recorder virtuoso Dan Laurin has researched the effects of embouchure on his instrument with somewhat equivocal results, for which see:
Laurin, D. (1998). the relation between the vocal tract and recorder sound quality. Copenhagen. [1]
Laurin, D. (1999). Shaping the sound. American Recorder 40(4): 13-17.
Chen, J-M, J. Smith, D. Laurin & J. Wolfe. (2007). Vocal tract interactions in recorder performance. Paper delivered at 19th International Conference on Acoustics. Madrid. 2-7 September 2007. [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.1.29.76 (talk) 07:29, 16 October 2008‎

Also, the entire section is not at all neutral. Wikipedia is not your music teacher, why is it recommending "good" versus "bad" sounds? Should we also categorize which musical genres are good and bad? The entire section should be rewritten, or probably even removed. Krehel (talk) 00:42, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Fipple according to Grove

I am a new Wiki-editor and as I researched "fipple" in Grove Music Online, in order to potentially add a citation, I found that according to Grove the term should be abandoned entirely. Is this relevant information to include in this wikipage? (https://doi.org/10.1093/gmo/9781561592630.article.42042). — Preceding unsigned comment added by CloverJay (talk • contribs) 00:59, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

The argument for deprecating the term fipple presented in Grove summarizes what organologists had been stating for decades. Although the term “fipple flute” is clear enough, there has never been any consensus on which of its structural details is correctly designated by the word “fipple.” The less streamlined but unambiguous “block-and-duct flute” has therefore long since been adopted by the research community. Fipple remains in widespread casual use nonetheless, propagating the varying notions of what it actually labels. The question in the present context is whether it is an appropriate keyword for this article. I've edited the confusion out of its body, together with some unsubstantiated material about the recorder. Absent any indication of disagreement with then doing so, I’ll move the article to the heading “Block and duct flute” and redirect both “Fipple flute” and “Fipple” to it. Pending the response to all this, I'll revise the section on history. --Futhark|Talk 07:28, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

If the term is so ambiguous, why hasn't the article title been moved or changed yet? This creates a lot of problems because in the language section there are articles that talk about the labium or edge and not the entire block-duct-edge set since this problem only occurs in English. I came to this problem when there was no English translation in the labium article in Spanish. This also creates ambiguous Wikidata elements and that's why I don't want to merge these two elements: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q531706 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2904658

The English article needs to be fixed to combine everything and create an English article that talks about the labium or edge and another that is about ducted flutes. This last article could also address the issue of the vagueness of the term fipple. But I'm afraid to do everything myself and mess something up. Albergarri788 (talk) 16:46, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Native American flutes?

The "instruments that use a fipple" section states that most Native American flutes are fipple flutes, but the instrument commonly known as the "Native American Flute" is not. However, the Native American Flute page does not indicate that there is necessarily one such "Native American Flute" and states that Native American Flutes are indeed fipple flutes. Could someone with more knowledge on the topic address this disparity? 42Q7 (talk) 23:30, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Labium

Do flutes in the fipple family really have parts called Labiums? If so it’s not mentioned here. Overlordnat1 (talk) 09:03, 11 July 2023 (UTC)