Talk:Fiat 1100

Tiny dancer?

Can somebody translate ballila, & include it? TREKphiler ^{hit me ♠} 12:30, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Balilla hasn't translation; it's a name with a long long history...--193.204.206.252 (talk) 09:19, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Neckar Europa

Since this is more or less the same car, the article should make some mention about this fact. __meco (talk) 13:09, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

If anyone has time and inclination to follow up on this suggestion, there's been a bit more background added (some of it by me) here since 2009. Charles01 (talk) 13:50, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Proposal

Since the first 1100 is related to the /103 only by name, I feel it would be useful to move the bulk of the 508C 1100 section to Fiat 508 (keeping a summary to provide some background), and make this article solely about the 1100/103 and its derivatives. The Fiat 1200 stub could also be merged here. Opinions? Notifying User:Mr.choppers since he contributed the most to the article lately. —Cloverleaf II (talk) 07:29, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

I agree with your first proposal. What you term the "first Fiat 1100" does not belong here. You could either paste and adapt its text and boxes on to the Fiat 508 entry or else simply give it a standalone entry of its own. Your call, but in terms of avoiding unforeseen knock-on consequences my own default preference would be simply to give the 508C "Nuova Balilla" its own standalone entry.

I don't understand the argument for merging the Fiat 1200 entry, which arguably isn't really a stub any longer. Since you haven't put the argument I suppose I should hesitate to refute it, but ... as far as I can see the Fiat 1200 is a completely different shaped car targeted at a completely different set of customers covering a much shorter (albeit 100% overlapping) period and and likely, in most cases, to be of interest to a completely different cohort of wiki readers (though I appreciate that one's a little hard to "prove" either way).

Success Charles01 (talk) 08:48, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

How would you title the new article for the 508C? Following WP:AUTOCONV maybe Fiat 1100 (508)?

The argument for merging the 1200 here.. What I had in mind was actually to split the article in two. Not that this is something I would do right away, just an idea.

The earliest 1200s directly replaced the 1100 TVs, and would fit perfectly in this article. The 1200 Granluce saloon was a 1100 with a different greenhouse, and the difference between the 1100 TV Trasformabile and 1200 Trasformabile was little more than new bumper over-riders.

Regarding the later 1200/1500S/1500/1500S Cabriolets and Coupés by Pininfarina... Well, these are hard to categorise. They all shared part of the bodywork, were based on the chassis of the 1200 Trasformabile, and used diverse engines from the 1200, O.S.C.A. and the Fiat 1500. They should be kept together, but it seems like a stretch to include all them in the 1200 article and they have nothing but an engine in common with the 1500 saloon. I think we could give them an article of their own on the lines of it:Fiat Pininfarina Coupé e Cabriolet. —Cloverleaf II (talk) 11:41, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

On the title, I have no special insights into any relevant wiki naming conventions. I guess you need a name that people are likely to use when looking for the entry. The current sub heading "508C Nuova Balilla" - except now with Fiat added, so: "Fiat 508C Nuova Balilla" seems likely to attract most the the obvious search engine words/phrases, but you should not hesitate to use something else if it works better for reasons I didn't think of (yet). I'm slightly cautious about anything including "1100" because I'm not sure when they started naming cars according to engine capacity in cc. Fiat 1100 doesn't sound a very "1930s name" to me. But Fiat were a pioneering company: maybe they got in early with this form of nomenclature. And there's no rule saying you can't wiki-change a car's name retrospectively for wiki-purposes if there's a good wiki-reason (eg Ford P7). One wiki-car-naming-convention that seems to have grown up could favour Fiat 508 (1937), though of course that would get problematic if someone found out and told us that it was actually launched for the 1938 model year, or if someone else comes along and finds out they were actually quietly producing them to build up stocks and set up relevant tooling during the final weeks of 1936. (No, I don't have any detailed knowledge on how sophisticated tooling had become by the late 1930s, but this was the decade during which "all-steel" bodies became mainstream in much of Europe, so it was by definition a decade of change in terms of tooling up for new models.) Anyhow, whatever name gets chosen, any popular alternatives can always be accommodated using redirect pages.

On the Fiat 1200 and the "to merge or not to merge" question, I find I don't have any thoughts to add to what I wrote before.

Regards Charles01 (talk) 13:44, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

I notice that the Italian 1100 entry has a short section on the 508C, but most of the 508C/1100 content is at Fiat 508. I think that is the most logical method, although I would minimize the content at Fiat 1100. I agree with keeping the 1200 on the 1100 page, as for the various coupe/spider versions I don't think I am quite clear on what was going on even after several attempts at making sense of things. I lean towards a separate article for those small series models.  Mr.choppers | ✎  02:12, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

I have done a little bit of research, and it seems to me that the 508 C shares close to nothing with the 508 A and B: different chassis, front independent suspension vs beam axle, overhead instead of side valve engine. Now I am definitely oriented towards splitting the 508 C/1100 into a new article as Charles01 suggested. Once I figure out how to title it I'll do it. —Cloverleaf II (talk) 16:04, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

No dimensions and weight?

How so? It is a not an article on a car without it. 93.185.26.145 (talk) 11:00, 4 August 2018 (UTC)