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October 20 to 26, 2024 (7th)

"Bespeccled Face"

Bespectacled=wears glasses Bespeckled=has skin blemishes Both of these could be said about Fernando. Let's pick one (or both) and spell it/them correctly.

Under Construction

I'm in the process of trying to clean-up this article, per the July 2006 tag. I still have much work to do, but I would appreciate feedback on the edits I've made so far. This is among my first real attempts at becoming a contributor. Thanks! AGratz 05:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the tag without looking at the talk page, because I didn't think it was necessary any more. So good work on whatever changes you made. --Djrobgordon 17:01, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stats versus Giants / Roger Craig Quote

I deleted the career statistics versus the San Francisco Giants as well as the quote from former Giants manager Roger Craig, as I was unable to confirm the statistics or find an attribution for the quote. Here's the paragraph, which I edited:

Further endearing him to Dodger fans during his eleven seasons with Los Angeles were Valenzuela's amazing statistics against the team's arch-rivals, the San Francisco Giants: 33 wins - including 10 one-hitters - against just 2 losses, with an overall earned run average of 1.15. Former Giant manager Roger Craig once said watching Fernando pitch was like listening to a musical composition of Bach or Brian Wilson.

It's great stuff, and I'll be happy to see it re-included if anyone can tell me where the information comes from.

--AGratz 04:09, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Plagiarism

A lot of this seems plagiarized directly from http://www.biographybase.com/biography/Valenzuela_Fernando.html - superβεεcat 20:12, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I did some digging, and saw that their page was made in January 2005. Our article here in 2004 was the same, so that plus their note that they copied from us says that our article's fine. Wizardman 17:07, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Eyelids

There is nothing in this article about his famous: 'I breath through my eyelids' approach to pitching. That should be in here. 209.86.226.54 (talk) 01:23, 11 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

World Series '88

I understand he was injured, but wasn't Fernando on the Dodgers in 1988? Or is he not a World Series champ because he want on the ws roster? So in 1988 after shoulder problems he was placed in the National League DL in the 1988 season Major League Baseball states that though he did not play or was a part of the World Series roster he still is awarded the WS because he was a part of the 1988 Los Angeles Dodgers roster that season. If he was in a Dodgers affiliate Minor League Roster during the Playoffs then he does not win a World Series title, but he technically was in the Dodgers roster not a Minor League roster therefore he is a 2x WS champ both with the Los Angeles Dodgers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.74.175.46 (talk) 23:30, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

We don't list people as WS champs unless they were on the post-season roster. !Spanneraol (talk) 00:14, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Can you source this, Spanneraol? "We don't list people as WS champs unless they were on the post-season roster." Where is this written, besides here? It doesn't seem to apply to other sports, why specifically baseball. Very confusing and vague. I know if I change it a mindless, evil bot will change it back for no reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.26.75.97 (talk) 05:16, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's an editorial decision. FWIW, it's not highlighted at the top of his Baseball Reference profile. —Bagumba (talk) 10:37, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mexican teams

Should we include the Mexican teams he played for in addition to the list of MLB teams he played for? We always included Japanese MLB players' list of NPB teams they played for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.16.190.1 (talk) 10:31, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced quote

In the article, there is the unsource quote You just saw a no-hitter on TV, now you will see one in person It was added in 2012.[1] To guard against WP:CITOGENESIS, as obituaries are mentioning this, we need to find a source from before Feb 6 2012 to include this. I haven't found any.—Bagumba (talk) 06:57, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Found a quote from Lasorda in 1990: "That’s great, now maybe we’ll see another no-hitter"[2] I added that to the article. The other one (or both) might just be paraphrases, so it needs in-text attribution about who said that Fernando said it. —Bagumba (talk) 07:30, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I Googled the quote quickly before bed last night and was planning to dig deeper for it today. That Lasorda quote works fine. The one removed might not be real. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:44, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At least I see fewer sources using that old quote now. Internet Archive still wont take archives on demand, so no way to save this for reference LOL. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/dodgers/2024/10/22/fernando-valenzuela-dodgers-pitcher-obit/75561445007/ still has it (for now). —Bagumba (talk) 12:25, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just FYI, archive.today [3] is a good option while Wayback Machine is down. DaHuzyBru (talk) 12:53, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Namelessposter added this from MLB.com, with Scioscia talking about Fernando's death. The same quote is given again, so maybe the original WP one was legit, but Lasorda and him using different words? Except that MLB.com source doesnt explicitly say it was Scioscia for that quote, but hopefully its legit and not a lift from WP. —Bagumba (talk) 16:46, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I felt it was safe to use the quote because the context of the article (an interview with Scioscia about Valenzuela's death) implies that all quotes are coming from Scioscia. If you need a more direct attribution, Scioscia gave an interview with AM570 where he says "You saw one on TV, now you're gonna see one in person." Scioscia gave another interview to MLB.com in 2017 saying the same thing. I know it's not from 2012 or before, but it's well in advance of any obituaries. Namelessposter (talk) 16:51, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well the 2012 edit attributed it to Scioscia, so it all seems consistent enough. Thanks. I'm actually surprised how often unsourced text eventually pans out. —Bagumba (talk) 17:05, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's also this 2010 addition that he signed with Detroit. I've found no sources on this.—Bagumba (talk) 11:49, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Baseball Almanac has his transactions, which include the Detroit signing [4]. Spanneraol (talk) 14:04, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Baseball Almanac appears to be wrong. April 1992 - Valenzuela is already with Jalisco, and the Tigers have "no interest" in Valenzuela - [5] I can't clip right now, I'm having difficulty accessing my Newspapers.com account and I don't have the time or patience to continue with their customer service – Muboshgu (talk) 14:11, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here's an April 1992 article (in Spanish) on him signing with Jalisco that says that he had recently signed with the Tigers.[6] – Muboshgu (talk) 14:15, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the clip.[7] —Bagumba (talk) 17:00, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Flint Journal clipped.[8] —Bagumba (talk) 17:10, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]