Talk:Federico Gatti

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Federico Gatti/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk · contribs) 15:49, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

I am planning to review this article.

Update: @Dr Salvus I will review this in the next week. I will do my best to do as much as I can, as I have less time for editing Wikipedia right now. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 14:58, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Lead

Looks fine.

Personal Life

Try to expand this section. If you can't, merge it into youth career. Move "Gatti considers Juventus' defender Giorgio Chiellini as his idol" into the Style of Play section.

@ArsenalGhanaPartey: I do not agree. 99,999999 % of our articles do not have idols in the Style of Play section.

Youth Career

Try to expand. I've added a sentence but I can't find anything else. Dr Salvus 19:06, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Pavarolo and Saluzzo

"(2017–18), due to economic problems, Pavarolo was late with the payments." The bolded part could be better written.

 Done Dr Salvus 18:23, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

"As Gatti was the tallest player in the squad, he changed his position from midfielder to defender." Rewrite that sentence like this: "Gatti changed his position from midfielder to defender to take advantage of his height."

I also disagree here. Gatti did not change the position to take advantage of his height but due to a necessity as Pavarolo didn't have any player who didn't come from the youth sector. Dr Salvus 18:39, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Verbania and Pro Patria

This is fine.

Frosinone

Try to expand.

Style of play

Try to expand.

That is all. @Dr Salvus. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 17:49, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@ArsenalGhanaPartey: It looks the syle of play section cannot be extended anymore. I've extended the Frosinone section. Dr Salvus 19:01, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@ArsenalGhanaPartey It looks you're not very active. You haven't updated this for four days. Are you going to be less busy soon? Otherwise, it could be better if someone else reviewed this. Dr Salvus 18:22, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Comments

@Dr Salvus and ArsenalGhanaPartey: Apologies for "barging in", but I saw the recent edit summaries on WP:FOOTY about this review stalling and thought I would comment here rather than start a new review while this first one is still open. Having read the article, I don't think it is ready to be listed as a Good Article, specifically with regards to criteria 1a and 1b.

(1a) The grammar is generally very poor throught the piece. I understand that English is not the main author's first language, but the fact remains that articles must be grammatically correct to meet the GA criteria. It would take too long to list all the grammatical issues in the article, but here are a few comments just from the lead section (not an exhaustive list):

• In his youth career, Gatti had played with Chieri, Torino and Alessandria - consider changing "had played with" to "represented"
• he started his senior career in Promozione — the sixth tier of the Italian football system — team Pavarolo in February 2015 - you don't start a career "in" a team in English, and frankly the excessive detail about what division/tier he was playing in doesn't really belong in the lead section.
• helping his team be promoted to the Eccellenza in the next season - "helping his team be promoted" is ungrammatical, and in any case I don't think it's neutral to say he "helped" his team to be promoted without some explanation about how he specifically aided, otherwise the team simply got promoted while he was playing for them.
• In mid 2018, he moved to Verbania, gaining the promotion - don't need "the"
• Gatti did not avoid his team's relegation to Eccellenza - just doesn't make sense

(1b) The layout is good and the article generally follows the MoS, apart from a couple of occasions where numbers are given in figures when they should be spelled out. Word choice is generally OK but there are examples of slang/jargon, e.g. use of "a brace" instead of "two goals"; and places where the word just does not make sense in context, e.g. "Gatti was often aggregated(?) to the first team".

As well as these issues, the prose is very monotonous. Almost every sentence is of the form "In XXXX, Gatti did YYYY. Next, Gatti did ZZZZ". I would recommend having a look at some existing Good Articles on footballers, making a serious effort to overhaul the text and renominating later as there is a good base of an article here and a lot of research has been done. He seems like an interesting player who has worked his way up the ranks, but sadly the article as it is right now just isn't quite up to GA standard. Sorry if any of this comes across as harsh, but I thought it best to be honest. Cheers, BigDom (talk) 11:43, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

BigDom, I'd cared about the other criteria. I'd arleady been aware that I wouldn't've been able to make an high quality text. I'll try to do something to fix the grammar. Dr Salvus 12:12, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

I've also made its prose less monotonous. Dr Salvus 13:04, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, for your input @BigDom:. After looking through the article again it looks like there are more issues with the prose and grammar than I realized. I am therefore failing, as it is not in Good Article Shape. Don't take this wrong way DrSalvus, feel free to resubmit this article later after you have made substantial improvements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk • contribs)

Grammar

@ArsenalGhanaPartey, well. Its only problem is the prose. Can't you put the nomination on hold rather than to say it's a failure? I'll request a GOCE at this point. Dr Salvus 10:19, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

@ArsenalGhanaPartey I don't want to wait four months (2 months for GOCE and 2 months for the second nomination) just for a low quality prose. Would you mind if I asked to review in your talk this when the article is GOCE reviewed? It'll be easier to review the second time as you'll have only to review its prose. Dr Salvus 14:25, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

@Dr Salvus, I have less time to edit WP as you can tell by activity. I'm sure somebody else would be willing to review this article. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 14:35, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Federico Gatti/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Hawkeye7 (talk · contribs) 19:27, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Picking this one up.

Issues:

• References required for honours section!
• Heights should be in centimetres, not metres
• Consider renaming the "2022–present" section per MOS:TOPRESENT

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it well written?

   A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

   After a major effort by the GOCE, prose issues seem to be resolved.

   B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:

   A couple of minor MOS issues (above), but falls within the limits of GA

2. Is it verifiable with no original research?

   A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

   B. All in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines:

   Honours section is not references - major issue for a WP:BLP

   C. It contains no original research:

   D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

   B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):

4. Is it neutral?

   It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:

5. Is it stable?

   It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:

   Looks like work on the article finished over a week ago

6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   Images are appropriately licensed and tagged for personality rights

   B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   A workman-like Good Article. Will promote if the issues are resolved. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:27, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Replies

1.  Done
2. Same thing of Fabio Miretti
3. We, on WT:FOOTY, have decided not to use "present" (I don't remember when).

@Hawkeye7 Dr Salvus 20:23, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

It was probably a few months ago when there was a lot of discussion on the MOS talk page. The point is though that it is highly likely that articles will go for years without being updated by humans and what is meant by "present" will become a puzzle. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:42, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

@Hawkeye7 And so? What do I do? Dr Salvus 20:49, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Just remove the "-present". Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:02, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

@Hawkeye7 it's not used only in the infobox football biogrpahy template. The other one is fine. Dr Salvus 21:04, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

MOS:DATETOPRES: For ranges "to present", the current year (or, in cases where necessary, date) of "present" at the time of writing should be included. Thus 1982–present (as of YYYY) is preferable to just 1982–present, with YYYY being replaced with the year in which you are writing. If the "from" date has an internal space, a spaced en dash is used. Other constructions may be more appropriate in prose (see § Statements likely to become outdated). In tables and infoboxes where space is limited, pres. may be used (1982–pres.). Do not use incomplete-looking constructions such as 1982– and 1982–... But this falls outside the parts of the MOS that GAs must conform to. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:19, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

@Hawkeye7 But it is not the law and we've decided not to use "-present" in the infobox. We have 3003030342030 GAs on footballers that don't have it. E.g. Trent Alexander Arnold, Hassan Maatouk, Paul Pogba, Gigi Buffon, Pep Guardiola (who's a coach) and Tammy Abraham. Dr Salvus 21:28, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

That's fine. Just remove it from the section heading. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:36, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Hawkeye7,  Done Dr Salvus 21:38, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 18:30, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

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• Comment or view
• Article history

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Gatti with Frosinone in 2021

• ... that Federico Gatti (pictured) went from playing in the Italian sixth division and doing menial jobs to joining Juventus and playing for the Italy national team? Source: https://www.goal.com/it/notizie/gatti-nazionale-chi-%C3%A8-squadra-juventus-caratteristiche-italia-contratto/blt6f67b18b9eed06c2
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Desert Reconnaissance Battalion

Improved to Good Article status by Dr Salvus (talk). Self-nominated at 09:38, 28 July 2022 (UTC).

• Promoted to GA on July 27.
• Long enough.
• Within policy; if good enough for a GA, it's good enough for DYK. ;)
• Hook good, although I would've liked to see at least one other alt hook.
• QPQ done.

• Image fine.

This is good to go for DYK. Nice job; thanks for making it easy. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:01, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

@Figureskatingfan:, thanks if you want also review Fabio Miretti. Dr Salvus 17:04, 29 July 2022 (UTC)