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On 3 August 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Family tree of Chinese monarchs (ancient) to Family tree of Chinese monarchs (before 256 BCE). The result of the discussion was moved.

disambaugation

Many of the internal links to the Xia dynasty kings link to modern figures, apparently who have ths same name in pinyin. We need to create new articles for these kings and correct all the links, or make the links red so they don't misdirect.Shendang (talk) 02:06, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wu, Yue, Jin

How come only Wu, Yue, and Jin family trees are included? Hanfresco (talk) 07:01, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Because user:Sonny Fin don't know lineage of other state and he asked sources from me ,I had edited most of tree in Chinese wiki zh:中国君主世系图 but I don't not have enough time to translate into English.——星光下的人 (talk) 04:10, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Complete list every time?

Is it really necessary to re-list from Ku to King Tai of Zhou for Wu and Jin family trees? Why not start from the branch point and tell the user where to refer to for the early part of the tree? Hanfresco (talk) 07:10, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that's annoying

Rebuilt the Zhou section for formatting, better links, capitalization, etc. and now I keep getting server errors every time try to load it on. Is it some server or format problem? or just the fact I'm in the PRC now? — LlywelynII 19:32, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, works here. Could someone add it in for me? — LlywelynII 19:35, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Zhou Dynasty

This is a family tree for the Zhou Dynasty, descendants of Duke Wu of Zhou who overthrew the last Shang ruler Di Xin, thereby establishing the dynasty. Ruling from 1046 BC to 256 BC, it is notable as the longest dynasty in Chinese history, although the actual political and military control of China by the dynasty only lasted during the Western Zhou, and the first historically attested date is the start of the Gonghe Regency in 841 BC: dates prior to this are speculative.

Ku 嚳

Houji 后稷

Buzhu 不窋

Ju 鞠

Gongliu 公劉

Qingjie 慶節

Huangpu 皇僕

Chaifu 差弗

Huiyu 毀渝

Gongfei 公非

Gaoyu 高圉

Yayu 亞圉

Gongshu Zulei 公叔祖類
("Duke Zulei of Shu")

Gugong Danfu
(also called "King Tai of Zhou" 周太王)

Jili 季歷
(also called "King Ji of Zhou")

Taibo 吳泰伯
(founder of Wu)

Zhongyong 仲雍
(ancestor of the kings of Wu)

Wen
(also called "King Wen of Zhou" 文王)
(1099 – 1050 BC)

King Wu 武王
(1050 or 1046 – 1043 BC

King Cheng 成王
(1042 – 1021 BC)

Tang Shuyu 唐叔虞
Marquis of Tang 1042 – ? BC

King Kang 康王
(1021 – 996 BC)

Marquis Xie of Jin 晉侯燮

King Zhao 昭王
(996 – 977 BC)

King Mu 穆王
(977 – 922 BC)

King Gong 共王
(922 – 900 BC)

King Xiao 孝王
(891 – 886 BC)

King Yi 懿王
(900 – 891 BC)

King Yi 夷王
(885 – 878 BC)

King Li 厲王
(877 – 841 BC)

Gonghe 共和
(Regent: 841 – 828 BC)

King Xuan 宣王
(827 – 782 BC)

King You 幽王
(781 – 771 BC)

King Ping 平王
(771 – 720 BC)

King Xie 携王

Crown Prince Xiefu 太子泄父

King Huan 桓王
(720 – 697 BC)

King Zhuang 莊王
(697 – 682 BC)

King Xi 僖王
(682 – 677 BC)

Prince Tui 王子颓

King Hui 惠王
(677 – 652 BC)

King Xiang 襄王
(651 – 619 BC

Prince Dai 王子带

King Qing 頃王
(618 – 613 BC)

King Kuang 匡王
(612 – 607 BC)

King Ding 定王
(606 – 586 BC)

King Jian 簡王
(585 – 572 BC)

King Ling 靈王
(571 – 545 BC)

King Jing 景王
(544 – 520 BC)

Prince Chao 王子朝

King Dao 悼王
(520 BC)

King Jing 敬王
(520 – 476 BC)

King Yuan 元王
(475 – 469 BC)

King Zhending 貞定王
(468 – 441 BC)

King Ai 哀王
(441 BC)

King Si 思王
(441 BC)

King Kao 考王
(440 – 426 BC)

King Weilie 威烈王
(425 – 402 BC)

King An 安王
(401 – 376 BC)

King Lie 烈王
(375 – 369 BC)

King Xian 顯王
(368 – 321 BC)

King Shenjing 慎靚王
(320 – 315 BC)

King Nan 赧王
(314 – 256 BC)

Typo(s? is there a plural form of the word typo?lol)

Anyways, there are numerous typo here. I alone can't fix them but when I create pages for these guys, I will check. ----損齋 (talk) 20:46, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. If it will be easier for you to make only a list and send it to me, you could do it. I will correct the mistakes.--Daduxing (talk) 05:49, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 3 August 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans 05:28, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Family tree of Chinese monarchs (ancient) → Family tree of Chinese monarchs (before 256 BCE) – Likewise:

(early) → (221 BCE – 453 CE)
(middle) → (453–1279)
(late) → (1279–1912)

I know each of these boundaries are problematic (Genghis Khan is included in "late" for example, but frankly the core of it is correct and it would help guide readers much better than "early", "middle", and "late". The current Remsense诉 09:53, 3 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Waqar💬 15:01, 11 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 05:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well since this has been relisted I guess I'll participate. I suppose I don't have any particular opposition to altering the disambiguation terms from an arbitrary relative periodisation word to an arbitrary pair of dates, provided the current titles are retained as redirects like usual. I'm not sure how many articles link to these family tree lists outside ==See also==s (i.e. in prose), but I remember struggling mightily to remember just the single pair of dates we ended up with for Jin dynasty (266–420). I think hyperspecific disambiguation in article titles is fine for pages like the current one, where it's pretty unlikely we'll need to type it into a wikilink, but if these were articles that were frequently linked from prose sentences I'd strongly prefer keeping the adjectives so I wouldn't have to tab away to figure out which precise date span to place within the disambiguator. Anyway sure why not to prevent further relist and note to the closer please pretend I said this in all four related RMs. Folly Mox (talk) 17:23, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Lists, WikiProject Genealogy, WikiProject Chinese history, WikiProject Biography, WikiProject Royalty and Nobility, WikiProject China, and WikiProject History have been notified of this discussion. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 05:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support – I agree that the terms are rather useless and too vague without context, so years seem better. Particularly true when c. 220–581 could been seen as its own period, or perhaps in either the early/middle ones. Aza24 (talk) 06:18, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As an aside: it's a bit bizarre that the Five Emperors are even included here... given that the exact groupings vary so much between sources, I can't imagine that the Shiji, Hanshu, I Ching, Bamboo Annals and Liji suddenly agree on a family tree. Then of course, there's their wholly mythical nature! – Aza24 (talk) 06:21, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm of two minds on your last point: it's a bit of a fantasy to put Pan Geng and the Yongle Emperor on the same list of anything too, but maybe we should be more circumspect/brief in their mention, maybe a bulleted list instead of a table. Remsense ‥ 诉 06:27, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support It's better to be clear here.★Trekker (talk) 12:05, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.