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On 10 April 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Family life and children of Vladimir I to Family of Vladimir the Great. The result of the discussion was moved.

Old talk

Wouldn't this fit better within the Vladimir I article? That seems to be how it is done for every other biography of a medieval monarch. I know this is pretty long but it would be far more useful for everyone if it the information was not separated like this. Adam Bishop 17:16, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Adam, I strongly disagree. I wrote it to be a separate article in its own right. This article is two times longer than the article on Vladimir himself. Merging would completely overwhelm Vladimir's personality and doings with obscure details of his family life. --Ghirlandajo 17:34, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The wife concept

According to most common conceptions and laws there is only one wife to a man. Since this article mentions several wifes it has to be more specific with what it means. Alternatively avoid the term wife. Davidjonsson (talk) 17:10, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dear David, you answered himself. "Most conceptions" are not "all conceptions"! Don't judge ancient, mostly pagans, Slavic rulers from today point of view. Yopie 01:34, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

David is right. These women were concubines and apparently this guy Vladamir raped a couple of them before they became a "wife", according to the main article on the man. Sounds a little like "marriage under duress" in any age. Amazing how men don't "judge" other men when it comes to rape and forced marriage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.190.17.183 (talk) 04:38, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Arlogia

This is a wonderful article. I have only one criticism, which is that Arlogia is not mentioned. Being that Arlogia married Rognvald Brusse of Orkney, thereby joining Vladimir's line with a family that would rule Scotland as the Bruce clan, and given that Arlogia's guessed birth year (circa 1011?) makes her a candidate to be a possible daughter of Anna Porphyrogenita, I find her rather important. Rewound (talk) 00:35, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

brouhaha. that all is such unfounded speculative 'genealogy' that it will not be allowed to be written in any respectable information. real history does not know if that specific Rognvald married anyone, real history does not know any daughter of hers, and of course any concoction that the Bruis in France get such an ancestry, are held to be bad jokes, not attested by reliable research. Motivation for some Bruce descendants to concoct such an invented root is obvious, but wikipedia is not vehicle for ridiculousnesses. If some individual (whose judgement is not sound) adds any of those to an article and gives those fanciful references of practically genealogucal firgerers, then there will be sources to say how utterly unproven and unhistorical those concoctions are. 82.181.234.211 (talk) 00:34, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

de wiki

Could you add de:Nachkommen von,Wladimir dem Großen , I gotn't it. Thanks, --Passauer Andreas Berlin (talk) 04:56, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 10 April 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. – robertsky (talk) 13:09, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Family life and children of Vladimir I → Family of Vladimir the Great – WP:CONSUB & WP:TITLECON. The main article for Vladimir I of Kiev (also known as Volodimer, Volodimir, Volodymyr or Uladzemir) is Vladimir the Great. A few weeks ago, Conversion of Volodimer was renamed to Conversion of Vladimir the Great for this reason. There is no other enwiki article title with Family life and children of X. The common formula is Family of X, e.g. Family of Vladimir Putin, Family of Kamala Harris, or Family of Puyi. See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 8#Category:Volodimerovichi family for background discussion. NLeeuw (talk) 11:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy ping @Mellk, Srnec, Marcocapelle, and Walrasiad: for your consideration due to your prior participation in either the renaming of Conversion of Vladimir the Great or the CfM on Category:Volodimerovichi family. Good day. NLeeuw (talk) 11:08, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Vladimir the Great for reasons given. "Family of X" seems a little ambiguous for a dynast (which doesn't apply to the other examples, except Puyi, but he was last of the line). Srnec (talk) 14:07, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, Vladimir the Great is consistent with main article and "family life" is redundant. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:04, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Mellk (talk) 17:33, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.