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Reviewer: ~ Don4of4 [Talk] 00:20, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria

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A good article is—

  1. Well-written:
  2. (a) the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct; and
    (b) it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.[1]
  3. Verifiable with no original research:
  4. (a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;
    (b) reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose);[2] and
    (c) it contains no original research.
  5. Broad in its coverage:
  6. (a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic;[3] and
    (b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
  7. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
  8. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
  9. [4]
  10. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
  11. [5]
    (a) media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content; and
    (b) media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.[6]

Review

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  1. Well-written:
  2. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (prose) The reviewer has no notes here. Pass
    (b) (MoS) Very good overall in this category. Pass
  3. Verifiable with no original research:
  4. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (references) No issues at this point. Pass
    (b) (citations to reliable sources) The reviewer has no notes here. Pass
    (c) (original research) No issues here. Pass
  5. Broad in its coverage:
  6. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (major aspects) The reviewer has no notes here. Pass
    (b) (focused) The reviewer has no notes here. Pass
  7. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
  8. Notes Result
    No issues. Pass
  9. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
  10. Notes Result
    Continuous minor improvements. Good to see... Pass
  11. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
  12. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales) All images have a fair use rational. Pass
    (b) (appropriate use with suitable captions) Issues exist:
    • The article lacks images in general. Images in "Plot", "Development", "Marketing and release" and "Controversies" may add to the article.

    Note: The images do not have to be of copyrighted in-game content! See Halo 3 for a good example.

    Neutral Neutral

Result

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Result Notes
Pass Pass This article has qualified for WP:GA status, however the reviewer has minor reservations.

Discussion

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Please add any related discussion here.

  • Please note that, in regards to images, we use the minimal number possible since the vast majority of images are not free. Adding more than three (including cover art) non-free images is typically frowned on per WP:NFCC. --Teancum (talk) 20:50, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The story section doesn't need to have any references because it's generally accepted that since a work's plot sections are referencing the work itself, you don't necessarily need plot citations; it'd maybe be needed if it was to be an FA, but surely not for GA; and since there is currently 3 non-free images in use in the article, and it is frowned upon to have more than 3, it cannot lack images in general (and to find an image related to the article but in the public domain will be a real bitch); and there ain't much I could say in the caption of the cover art but just "box art"; it doesn't have the BBFC or PEGI or ESRB rating in the image, to identify which region it is from, which used to have it until it was changed about six months ago; the caption should just be for the screenshot images, the cover art in the Halo 3 article doesn't have a caption and that is a FA; so according to your concerns in the review, there ain't any real issues and therefore the article should be a Pass!-SCB '92 (talk) 21:44, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I do not agree with you on the images issue. Please see my revised review brought about due to your feedback and a review of the article vs similar articles. ~ Don4of4 [Talk] 01:31, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • okay, thanks for passing the other parts of the GA criteria; so I guess you want me to put pictures in the article that is something to do with the game's launch that is not copyrighted (like a conference something)? well I couldn't find a photo from the conference, but I found this picture which is the only thing related to the article in the wikimedia commons, but it looks unneccessary for it; I found pictures in FlickR of the Fallout 3 launch party thrown by Bethesda and held in Los Angeles, the celebrities who attended (like Courtney Cox, David Arquette, Lauren Conrad, and Foo Fighters, who also performed), and people lining up in stores (wow, I should put a section in the article about all of this); the bad news is that all these pictures happened to be copyrighted "All rights reserved", so I cannot upload the file, and since I have 3 non-free images, no more is allowed in the article; lots of video game articles don't have and don't need photos which are in the public domain; I know the Fallout 3 launch party happened to be as big a deal of the Halo 3 launch party (which even has its own page about the Halo 3 marketing), but come on; it's not like the article The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time has one; nor Metroid Prime, nor BioShock, and they're all Featured Articles; I think you should get a second opinion about this article or something-SCB '92 (talk) 13:39, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This notion that there's a "magic number" of three preventing image improvement is ridiculous. It's entirely realistic for an article to include more than three non-free images. Five non-free images is excessive if it's two cover arts and three screenshots, not so if it's something like one cover art, two distinctive screenshots, one soundtrack cover art, and one photograph from a celebrity release party or something (if there's no realistic possibility of a free image). I've done a reasonable amount of work with non-free images and I've never heard that "no more than three in total" is advisable. Not saying this should or shouldn't have passed, just saying. Swarm u | t 15:12, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Additional Notes

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  1. ^ Compliance with other aspects of the Manual of Style, or the Manual of Style mainpage or subpages of the guides listed, is not required for good articles.
  2. ^ Either parenthetical references or footnotes can be used for in-line citations, but not both in the same article.
  3. ^ This requirement is significantly weaker than the "comprehensiveness" required of featured articles; it allows shorter articles, articles that do not cover every major fact or detail, and overviews of large topics.
  4. ^ Vandalism reversions, proposals to split or merge content, good faith improvements to the page (such as copy editing), and changes based on reviewers' suggestions do not apply. Nominations for articles that are unstable because of constructive editing should be placed on hold.
  5. ^ Other media, such as video and sound clips, are also covered by this criterion.
  6. ^ The presence of images is not, in itself, a requirement. However, if images (or other media) with acceptable copyright status are appropriate and readily available, then some such images should be provided.