Talk:Faked death/Archive 1

Archive 1

Where did you get this definition?

Pseudocide is when an author stops using a particular pseudonym in favor of another name (either real name or another pseudonym). I have never encountered "pseudocide" meaning anything but killing a pseudonym. — Randall Bart 01:49, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Here's one instance of its use in a newspaper: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/639098.stm -- Chadhoward (talk) 15:49, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Inherent Crime?

Is pseudocide an inherent crime? Or are charges only pressed if there is some sort of financial evasion involved?

I'd have to say it probably depends on the circumstances. Just as suicide is a crime in some states, I'm sure somewhere has some punishment for it, aside from just having everyone you know hate your guts. Xprivate eyex 12:29, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Removal

I removed the "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows" reference under "Fictional" because it is NOT pseudocide, faking having killed yourself; in Harry Potter it's faking being dead. I'd have to say that whoever added it probably has some very poor reading comprehension as there is a rather huge difference. Xprivate eyex 12:28, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Sherlock Holmes?

He faked his own death; although it was assumed he fell to his death with his mortal enemy, he did survive and did not tell anybody that he was still alive. (he did leave a note that he wrote right before this in the side of the cliff)

although doyal was just responding to public outcry when he brought him back that was the reason he gave for bringing him back. do you think we should include this in the fictional section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.192.222.188 (talk) 20:06, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

There are many such stories in novels and movies. Edmond Dantès in The Count of Monte Christo tries to escape the prison island by slipping inside the shroud covering Faria's body, is tossed into the sea in the sack by the wardens with a 36-pounder cannonball trussed to his feet, narrowly escapes drowning and then invents a new identity, letting the world believe that Dantès is dead. Both Jason Bourne and James Bond have ditched their cars into rivers and "drowned" in the movies, many movie villains have made a return from the dead as well. A common story device. Strausszek (talk) 10:38, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Attention-Grabbing Device

Here's a random thought... Is it at all worth mentioning that in some cases, faking one's death can actually be used as a ploy to garner the attention of your peers or other people you might know? This seems to be a common tactic that the younger generation of folks or even some older people seem to take an interest in, especially online. ~ Joseph Collins [U|T|C] 11:00, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Legal?

Is it legal to pretend one's death by oneself in the US jurisdiction or elsewhere? -- 77.4.126.105 (talk) 21:49, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Merge tag from Celebrity Death Hoax

I removed the merge suggestion as is only confusing the issue on the article page. Please raise your ideas at the RFC which is already in progress. Manning (talk) 18:08, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

With respect, I do not see even the remotest subject connection at all between this article and Celebrity_death_hoax. Why do you insist on adding the merge tag? Also please do not reinstate a disputed tag without any explanation, as you did here. I have removed the tag - again - and unless you can provide a compelling reason for adding it back in again, please do not do so. Manning (talk) 02:09, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

User:Badagnani - For the FOURTH time - please do NOT add this merge tag in without at least explaining your reasoning. I see no connection between the two topics, yet you keep adding in the tag and providing no explanation. You are a seasoned Wikipedian so I am hesitant to accuse you of disruptive behaviour, but I am at a total loss as to why you keep doing this. We are also now BOTH guilty of violating the WP:3RR rule as well. Manning (talk) 03:10, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I have raised this matter at AN/I. See Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#repeated_addition_of_merge_tag_without_explanation. I don't want to be a WP:DICK, but you keep repeating your actions and not giving any explanation, so I am left with little alternative. Manning (talk) 03:23, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

They are essentially the same thing--a faked death. Badagnani (talk) 05:33, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

My preliminary search of sources reveals a wider scope for the article. Celebrity death hoaxes may include the various types of myths that arise out of collective grief surrounding celebrity death. Phenomena that would fit this general scope would include the death rumors that arose after Michael Jackson's death, the belief that a celebrity is dead and has been replaced (the Paul is dead idea), the idea that a celebrity death was the result of a conspiracy (JFK), that the circumstances of the death were falsely reported (the idea that Courtney Love killed Kurt), or that a celebrity is still alive (Elvis sightings). These phenomena are not within the scope of this article because they are sociological creatures, a specific type of mass delusion, rather than a type of fraud.--Gimme danger (talk) 05:59, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

9/11 Faked Deaths

Is it time to make a whole section for those convicted of faking deaths in certain events, such as 9/11 faked deaths, and possibly other major disasters such as recent hurricanes?

As for 9/11, as well as Steven Chin Leung (faked his own death, sentenced to four years in 2002) and Dorothy Johnson (faked her own death, both her and her daughter Twila McKee were sentenced to three years in 2003) - both mentioned in the main article - there were Carlton McNish (faked death of a fictitious wife, unsure if he was sentenced), and Namor Young (sentenced to prison term in 2002 after faking death of fictitious brother), Cassaundrea Estelle Montgomery (indicted in 2002 over death of fictitious brother), and Ricardo Frutos (faked deaths of relatives who never existed). I am sure that is not everyone...

Citations

A number of those with {{citation needed}} tags actually link to their own article pages, which have their own citations (admittedly some of them are poorly sourced). Surely entries on a list page don't need additional citations when they have their own article which should itself be properly sourced, do they? -- Boing! said Zebedee 06:30, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree and removed all the citation needed tags for subjects with their own Wikipedia BLPs since all BLPs must be cited and sourced. I also removed the general article tag concerning references since it no longer applies. Cheers, Veriss (talk) 05:36, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 01:49, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

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Faked death → Pseudocide — That is the official term for faking one's death. Citations include a book and various websites. TurtleShroom! :) NOODY BRANCH! ^{Don't mess with farmers, SpongeBob. They know how to grow food.} - Knowledge is power, grab it while you can. 18:43, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose WP:UCN 70.29.210.242 (talk) 04:06, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose The word appears to be a neologism, isn't in my paper dictionaries, isn't in dictionary.com, and there are hardly any Google hits for it. "A book and various websites" is not WP:RS - let's see the actual references please. (For the same reasons, I'd like to see the recent general use of the term in the article reverted). -- Boing! said Zebedee 06:00, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose "official term"? Official by whom? Pseudocide is a nearly unheard of neologism.
  — V = IR (Talk • Contribs) 06:55, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
• Comment Never heard of it! Sounds kind of cool though...maybe someday it will be widely used! Wikkitywack (talk) 09:50, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose - never heard of the latter term, despite hearing the former term alot. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:21, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose - likewise, never heard the term used before. Paul S (talk) 23:44, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose - all the same as above. Shadowjams (talk) 08:07, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Notwithstanding the above discussion, I've mentioned the term in the lead paragraph. "Pseudocide" may be rare, but it is lexicographically attested, for example by the Oxford English Dictionary (2nd Edition), which gives various citations from newspapers and medical journals going as far back as 1959. —Psychonaut (talk) 15:23, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Deleted reference to urban legend

There was a section that read

According to a , sometimes credited to an unnamed study, as many as a quarter of suicides from San Francisco's Golden Gate Bridge in which no body was found could have been faked.

Odd to discuss something that may have happened according to urban legend in the introduction. Maybe snopes has more on this urban legend... -- Chadhoward (talk) 15:56, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

References

elizabeth shorts father.

I think elizbeth shorts (the black Dahlia) father also faked his death at one point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.216.249.141 (talk) 04:42, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Tupac Section

Found the following typed at the bottom of the article with no sources or citations. It is a well-know urban legend and is adequately described elsewhere. "Tupac Shakur The famous West Coast rapper faked his death in September 13, 1996. It is rumored that he is living in Cuba as many famous Hip-hop artists such as Eminem have referenced to him living in Cuba. Tupac Shakur was shot after leaving the Mike Tyson fight at the MGM Grand, Tupac was seen entering A helicopter and was transported to the hospital but others believe he was making his escape." I'm deleting it now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.29.174.92 (talk) 02:51, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Alois Hitler jr.

I just saw a mention about Alois Hitler jr., Adolfs brother:

When the First World War began, Alois Jr. was in Germany and it was impossible for his wife and son to join him. He married another woman, Hedwig Heidemann (or Hedwig Mickley[28]), in 1916. After the war, a third party informed Bridget that he was dead.

Hitler family

I would think this might be an interesting addition.

--Óli Gneisti (talk) 17:24, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Andy Kaufman for speculations?

Andy Kaufman is another good example of speculated pseudocide. He was a famous liar and his career was full of elaborate rouses, when he died people thought he faked it. Bob Zmuda, a very close associate, even wrote about the theories validity. 2604:3D08:3380:EE00:18EF:B450:552D:907B (talk) 13:51, 2 February 2023 (UTC)