Talk:Everybody Wants to Rule the World/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: MarioSoulTruthFan (talk · contribs) 23:53, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

I'll review this article over the weekend. Love the song. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 23:53, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Infobox

• 1985 → a release section with such source would be helpful.
• The labels presented would benefit from the creation of such section.

 Done

Lead

• Regarded as the group's signature song, along with "Shout" (1984). → where is this in the body of the article.
• If you talk about UK and US, talk about Canada, New Zealand and Ireland the peaks are alike.
• "Best Single" → wikilink
• Add something from the "Background and recording"

 Done

Background and recording

• Songs from the Big Chair. → year of release in front of the album name.
• Smith → who? It's the first time he appears, add the last name with additional information about him.

 Done

Composition and lyrical analysis

• Move sample to here.
• "Its lyrics detail the desire humans have for control and power." → source
• Pitchfork → Tal Rosenberg of Pitchfork
• "snappy instrumental lead-up" to the first verse, a shuffling dream beat, a "galvanizing bridge", a moody instrumental passage," → use your own words
• "the environment (“Turn your back on mother nature”), the fleeting nature of financial success (“Help me make the most of freedom and of pleasure/Nothing ever lasts forever”), authoritarian rule (“Even while we sleep/We will find you”), and the Cold War (“Holding hands while the walls come tumbling down”)." → same as previous, but of course leave the lyrics of the song.

 Done

Reception

• "underneath the synth-pop sheen, its vague message, a snide lesson in how power-hungry society could be, reached Reagan and Margaret-era youth fed up with political greed. → use your own words more often.
• Wikilink Brit Award for British Single of the Year.

 Done

Commercial performance

• There is a lot more you could say here: New Zealand, Netherlands, Ireland and Belgium at least you have to talk about these songs. You can also mention US Top Rock Tracks, Hot Dance Club Play and Cashbox.
• You could say how many weeks it spent on the charts.
• You can mention which song didn't allow "Everybody Wants to Rule the World" reach number one in the UK.

 Done

B-side: "Pharaohs"

• Fine.

Music video

• is intercepted → this is definitely not the word. Intercut is the word that should be used here.
• But the two black guys dancing is not the end of the video, how does it end?

 Done

Formats and track listings

• Use {{spaced ndash}} instead of "-".

 Done

Credits and personnel

• Same as previous.

 Done

Charts and certifications

Weekly charts

• Use table chart for the US postions as well. See Billboard charts.

 Done

Year-end charts

• Fine.

Certifications and sales

• Fine.

Covers and re-releases

• Should add Nas and Mayer they are well known and his in the link of Stereogum.

Comment: Someone removed this. I could have sworn I mentioned this on the article since it was one of the more well-known samples.

 Done

Everybody Wants to Run the World

• Everybody Wants to Run the World" is a re-recording of the "Everybody Wants to Rule the World". → by who?
• ""...to get Bob Geldof off our backs! He gave us so much gip for not turning up at Live Aid. All those millions of people dying, it was our fault. I felt terrible. I tell you, I know how Hitler must have felt."

—Roland Orzabal, on why the song was re-recorded" → something that could be added as well.

• I have some concerns for this part of the article as it doesn't seem that noticeable, like other versions the campaign did. It could be merged into other sections.

 Done

Lorde version

• the Creative Assembly's Total War video game series, promotional videos for the BBC First network,[77] the 2015 BBC TV series Banished, the 2014 ABC show How to Get Away with Murder, season 4 of Homeland, season 1 finale of The Royals, and in the trailer for the 2014 film Dracula Untold → the Creative Assembly's Total War video game series, promotional videos for the BBC First network and the 2015 BBC TV series Banished. It was also used during the 2014 ABC show How to Get Away with Murder, season 4 of Homeland, season 1 finale of The Royals, and in the trailer for the 2014 film Dracula Untold. (it looked like a grovcery list)
• The hitfix link is broken, they recently changed their URL so if you could find an archive version or the new link...I need to verify all of that.
• "Orzabal praised Lorde for reinventing the cover, stating that the group finds it interesting when artists take what they do and reinterpret it" → he is not a critic as it is his personal opinion and he hs quite bias about it, not his fault, of course, I would move his opinion to the first paragraph.

 Done

See also

• Fine

References

• Wikilink billboard on the first time it appears, same for AllMusic.
• All Music and Amazon are not italicized.

 Done

External links

• This is interview is not used anywhere, it would be great add of information to the article.

 Done

Overall

• Earwig's Copyvio Detector says that The Pitchfork review is too close to copyright violation, please use your own words to explain the reviewer's opinion.
• I strongly advise the "construction" of a Production and release section. Add the vinyls release date as well as credits and personal.

@De88: I'm done, fix these issues I will take a second look once you do. Ping me when you are done. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:34, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

@MarioSoulTruthFan: So I finished editing the article. I had to remove the RetroWind interview as I could not access any of it. Most of the images were not available and I don't think the interview was even there. Regarding the "Everybody Wants to Run the World" re-release, that bit of information about why the band re-recorded the song has no reliable source. The Live Aid article does not cite any source and every page I have accessed with this information happens to be a forum site or a site blacklisted on Wikipedia. Also, I think the "Production and release" section should be renamed to "Production and distribution" since the band released vinyl sets with the song. De88 (talk) 23:19, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

@De88: Did you try to find the interview on waybackmachine? I will try to help you out with the live aid information. I could see why you want to rename the section, but if you add the date of release it would keep the name it has. The short paragraph you added on the formats doesn't need to be there if you have a release section, add to the release section the information it is not there such as the country. You also forgot some stuff in reception, commercial performance section, and others. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:32, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

@MarioSoulTruthFan: I did find the interview but it is directly linked to YouTube. Would that be allowed to be used on the article? Could you elaborate more on the bits of information I forgot to include? De88 (talk) 17:32, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

I wouldn't advise to use the link. But put it here so I can see it, if it is from the official channel and everything I believe it is good to go. Is it an interview? Sure, those that aren't either "fine" or "done". The infobox and the lead are missing some parts in the body of the article a bit different. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:41, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

@MarioSoulTruthFan: I checked the references and AllMusic and Billboard were already wikilinked. The suggestions you made on the infobox are included already in the release section. Here is the interview. De88 (talk) 19:06, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

@De88: What I meant was to remove duplicated wikilinks, just leave linked the first time it appears for instance Billboard and AllMusic. The year is not there or the labels for a matter of fact. BTW, I meant the youtube link you said. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:14, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

@MarioSoulTruthFan: I removed the duplicate wikilinks. I am confused about not mentioning the labels or year because this is the first line that appears on the "Production and release" section:

"Everybody Wants to Rule the World" was released in 1985 through Phonogram, Mercury and Vertigo Records as the third single from the band's second album, Songs from the Big Chair."

The interview is there. You just have to scroll down and click where it says, "Everybody Wants To Rule The World" by Tears For Fears. That will take you to the YouTube link. I also want to mention that I don't think I've seen AllMusic and Amazon italicized. De88 (talk) 22:50, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't notice you had add it, I'm sorry. I will take a look at it both the interview and the video. The interview can be used, if there is no translation (written), just use the direct youtube video. Tomorrow I will give it a second read and see what I missed from the first glance at it. Let's try to finish this tomorrow, I also want to sleep. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk)

@MarioSoulTruthFan: Perfect! Sounds like a plan. I apologize for not replying back yesterday, I just started uni. De88 (talk) 23:54, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Comment: I think one of the reasons the Pitchfork review is close to copyright violation is because it directly mentions the song's lyrics. De88 (talk) 18:29, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Not really, it's the big chunk of the review you took from the critical reception, but let me review everything, I will ping you when I'm done. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 20:53, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

2nd look

Lead

• "Its lyrics detail the desire humans have for control and power...The track centers on themes of corruption and the desire for power." → a merge here would be appropriate since the power is in the center of the lyrical theme.

 Done

Production and release

• I was "fixing" the "Production" section when I came upon some differences. Chris Hughes only has one additional credit on this section, but he has four on the "Credits and personnel" section. Should be the same on both sections, of course, according to inlay notes.

Now it's said that Hugues is the producer twice in the first sentence and later on the "Additional credits includes Hughes, who is credited with production," MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 16:58, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done

Composition and lyrical interpretation

• "Orzabal and Neil Taylor individually performed the guitar solos in the song." is stated above. How is necessary again?

 Done

Music Video

• Needs a clarification

 Done

Lorde version

• The cover was produced by Peter Shurkin and Natalie Baartz with arrangement by Michael A. Levine and Lucas Cantor. → source?
• and the 2015 BBC TV series Banished. It was also used during the 2014 ABC show How to Get Away with Murder, season 4 of Homeland and the season 1 finale of The Royals. → same as previous

 Done

External links

• This section is empty please remove it or add the lyrics from the official provider, if possible. See {{MetroLyrics song}}.

 Done

Overall

• I have done some changes. Let's see if you agree.

@MarioSoulTruthFan: I just finished taking your suggestions. I tried not to repeat many words such as the instruments that were used so that's why Hughes appears where the main producers were credited. I realized that was a mistake given how misinforming that reads. De88 (talk) 16:20, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

@MarioSoulTruthFan: It was my mistake to credit Hughes twice in the paragraph. I did not catch that when I was editing. Regarding the Lorde section, I had to remove some information on which shows played the song as I could not find any reliable sources. I did cite the liner notes for the personnel credited with production on the song though. De88 (talk) 18:06, 14 July 2018 (UTC)