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Euphoria (Kendrick Lamar song) was a Music good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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Date	Process	Result
July 4, 2024	Good article nominee	Not listed

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Section sizes

Section size for Euphoria (Kendrick Lamar song) (10 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	2,330	2,330
Background	8,325	8,325
Composition	5,516	5,516
Release and promotion	3,565	3,565
Critical reception	4,969	4,969
Impact	2,357	2,357
Commercial performance	805	805
Personnel	744	744
Charts	8,128	8,128
References	439	439
Total	37,178	37,178

Stylization

The stylization note has been added at least twice now. Since the title is one word, and the only case difference would be the first letter, a whole note just to denote a lower-case "e" is not significant. An editor has sought clarification on whether these parenthetical notes that disrupt the leads of articles are significant at a Manual of Style talk page before and they were told by an editor who has extensively contributed to our MOS that no, they are not. See Special:Permalink/1088443179#MOS:TMSTYLE. Another discussion on the significance on notes like this is also going on at another recent release, Talk:The Tortured Poets Department. Ping @Askeeaewiki and Lil-unique1: as editors who have contributed to that discussion, and @Lk95: as creator of this article. Ss112 18:41, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

genre-comedic hiphop?

this seems like a dig at Kendrick lamar as the song is not very comedic Ziggyzaggy300 (talk) 19:59, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's likely with Lamar having a sense of humor while recording these diss tracks, including "Not Like Us". I removed the tag anyway since it seems too loose to apply to "Euphoria", but then again both hardcore hip hop and trap are unsourced. Matter of fact I don't really think the genre parameters for Lamar's diss tracks have all been figured out yet. Carlinal (talk) 20:35, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Unsuccessful. dxneo (talk) 15:26, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Euphoria (Kendrick Lamar song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: LunaEclipse (talk · contribs) 17:12, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Dxneo (talk · contribs) 22:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Luna, I'll be reviewing this article in the next few days. I absolutely love the song and whoever made the beat must've been really mad at Drake 'cause he ate and left no crumbs. Oh and Thank you for helping me. dxneo (talk) 22:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

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It is reasonably well written.
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It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check.
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It is broad in its coverage.
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No edit wars, etc.:
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Overall: Patiently waiting on the nominator to address the requests.
Pass/Fail:

Comments:

Prose

Lead + quick facts

The song takes its name from the American teen drama series Euphoria… → It takes its name from… or "Euphoria" takes its name from…
And don't forget to do that throughout the entire article.

Done lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The infobox says "Euphoria" is a trap song, but this source says otherwise. Come to think of it, Composition does not say anything on the genre(s) of the song, how it switches and everything. Keep in mind that content in the infobox must be adequately referenced in the body of the article.

Partly done The beat switches are not mentioned in detail. I tried adding the trap part by moving its citation out of the infobox. lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Acceptable. "Euphoria" broke the single-day streaming record for a hip hop song in 2024. Doesn't this mean it's a hip hop/rap song? Also, this claim isn't referenced. dxneo (talk) 18:20, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I guess we all know this is a response to a April 19 song. However, claiming that it was recorded in April it's a bit of a stretch since the claim is not referenced. Honestly, it makes sense though.

Done lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kyuro → Kyro, don't forget to change it on the infobox also.

Done lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remember Kendrick Lamar is the only songwriter per Apple Music and he is credited as Kendrick Lamar. If there's a source that says otherwise, please do bring it forward.

Done lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The song broke the single-day streaming record for a hip hop song in 2024. → "Euphoria" broke the single-day streaming record for a hip hop song in 2024.

This claim is also unreferenced, you gonna have to work on expanding the Commercial performance section.

Done lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Really? Where? You literally did not touch Commercial performance. dxneo (talk) 18:27, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Background

His featured verse was a diss against Drake and J. Cole → His featured verse was a diss aimed at Drake and J. Cole

Done lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Composition

I think it would be best if the header was changed to Composition and lyrics or Music and lyrics. Just my opinion as I think the section covers both, but you may leave it as it is.

Done lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The song begins with an audio sample → "Euphoria" begins with an audio sample

Done lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Change The song to It or "Euphoria", depending on the context. Just saving time so I don't quote out every error.

Done lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can still find about the song scattered across the article, in the lead, background and so on, but you said that you've addressed it. dxneo (talk) 18:06, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thought I would see the the Gunna name drop line quoted since it made rounds on the internet (reliable sources available) and Gunna reacted to the line.

Done lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Critical reception

"the way he lobs his insults makes it a haymaker", → "the way he lobs his insults makes it a haymaker,"

Done lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"six minutes and 23 seconds of pure, unadulterated hate". → "six minutes and 23 seconds of pure, unadulterated hate."

Done lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"well worth the wait", → "well worth the wait,"

Done lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"rests on his self-presentation as flawed but enlightened", → "rests on his self-presentation as flawed but enlightened,"

Done lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"rests on his self-presentation as flawed but enlightened", → "rests on his self-presentation as flawed but enlightened,"

Done lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"blah even if Lamar does ride it with skill and animation". → "blah even if Lamar does ride it with skill and animation."

Done lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Impact

U.S. President Joe Biden's 2024 presidential campaign team used the song in a video against his opponent Donald Trump → The United States president Joe Biden's 2024 presidential campaign team used "Euphoria" in a video against his opponent, Donald Trump

Done lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The CM Punk claim is entirely unsourced.

Done lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Commercial performance and Charts

1. Charts:

Are MENA and North Africa the same thing or not? I noticed the charts are identical.

Done lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2. Commercial performance:

"Euphoria" reached top 10 in several countries. Please don't leave out that information.

Personnel

Looking at Apple Music credits, there are some few things that don't check out, and they aren't addressed in the prose, but if you have sources then please bring them forward.

Kendrick Lamar is the only songwriter. You gonna have to remove DJ Paul and Juicy J

Done lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan Turner – mixing → Jonathan Turner – mixing engineer

Done lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ray Charles Brown Jr. – recording engineer → Ray Charles Brown Jr. – recording engineer

Done lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nicolas De Porcel – mastering → Nicolas De Porcel – mastering engineer

Done lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

LunaEclipse, you forgot to work on this section. Kenneth Gamble is nowhere to be found on the credits. See this, it's free to access the credits. dxneo (talk) 18:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When addressing the last three requests, please do check the hyperlinks I have linked. Example, mixing is not mixing engineer.

References

It is advised to link every website or publisher were applicable.

Done lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This source (Rolling Stone) requires subscription, you forgot to note that. Therefore, I find it difficult to verify its content.

Done lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This source (Billboard) does not require subscription. You should remove the parameter and add on the above mentioned source. dxneo (talk) 18:14, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This source (Tweet) is a social post which can be deleted any time. It is considered highly unreliable even though it is from the co-founder of Audiomack since I also can't prove any relation between Brian and Lamar.

Done lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Original search

So far I can only spot the unreferenced CM Punk claim.

Done lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Drake offered two responses to "Like That". His first, "Push Ups", was premiered by media personality DJ Akademiks after a low quality demo version that sampled "Get Money" by Junior M.A.F.I.A. was leaked. This statement is cited to this source, but I'm having a hard time matching the article's content to the source's content. It may sound so on the Akademiks video (which I never checked), but if it's not in writing then I can't verify the claim.

Done lunaeclipse ^(talk) 15:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Plagiarism

Violation unlikely. Earwig finds no major problems as the 24.8% found was from quoted texts.

Media files

Looks good as there's only one attached file which is a non-free cover art. A 10% audio sample would be nice though.

Verdict

Waiting for the nominator to address the requests. 18:13, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Dxneo: I've addressed your comments. Waiting for further input. lunaeclipse ^(talk) 17:13, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
LunaEclipse, halfway through reviewing your improvements, I noticed you just came and said you have addressed the issues when you didn't. Please don't do this. This review wasn't supposed to be this long, and I was about to help you improve its quality but seeing this, I doubt. dxneo (talk) 18:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fail: per this discussion. dxneo (talk) 15:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

cover art

I believe that the cover art for euphoria shouldn’t be under fair use and that it should be in the public domain, as it "consists only of simple geometric shapes or text. It does not meet the threshold of originality needed for copyright protection, and is therefore in the public domain." Moreover the image is also taken from the Merriam-Webster dictionary. Currently, the image is listed as owned by Lamar's record label, and that shouldn’t have ever been the case for the reasons stated above. 2601:207:400:AA30:C8E6:4E72:7579:1033 (talk) 17:42, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]