Talk:Ethnic enclave

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Where is the research?

I don't see much evidence of a connection between this article and research on ethnic enclaves. You know, Portes, etc. --Htw3 04:11, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Notes

Off to a decent start but there is room for improvement.

• You need to cite your source on the first sentence of the page.

• You should probably include information about how ethnic enclaves impact relations between immigrant communities and broader American society.

• Another question you may address is whether or not the nature of ethnic enclaves has changed over time. For instance, have some types of ethnic enclaves vanished? Have new types arisen? How has changing technology impacted ethnic enclaves? (Think about how things like satelite television and the internet have enabled immigrants to stay in touch with their home countries.)

• Finally you could investigate how ethnic enclaves impact the rate of assimilation of different cultures.

Otherwise keep up the good work.

Velvet Llama 14:41, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Choose area of focus - US or world?

I'm not sure if it works to go back and forth in describing the buildup of ethnic enclaves in the US vs. other countries. The timing has been different. While some principles may be the same, there is also sufficient variation to make it too much of a generalization. If there is going to be an attempt to cover all ethnic enclaves in one article, there should be more history given (immigration and ethnic enclaves didn't start in the late 19th or 20th c.), and it should be clear when references are for US locations, or for other nations.--Parkwells (talk) 20:00, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

In Wikipedia, we can't CHOOSE, unless we want to move the page to Ethnic enclaves in the US. If it's to remain at the current title, it must adopt a global perspective. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.251.67.67 (talk) 22:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

It hardly has a worldwide perspective. Throughout the article there are instances where it refers to "this country", being the US. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.202.30 (talk) 23:37, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

About Section

THe last few paragraphs have some issues with NPOV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.249.175.11 (talk) 18:18, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Franschhoek?

Say, should Franschhoek be included in here? It's a town in South Africa which has been around for a few hundred years and its name means 'French Corner' (in old Dutch) as it was the land that was given to French Huguenot families by the Dutch settlers in South Africa in 1688. Invmog (talk) 22:17, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Revision of Ethnic Enclaves in the United States

In agreement with the aforementioned suggestions, Michelle Rice and I propose to expand on the "Ethnic enclaves in the United States" section of this article. Our contribution is part of a class assignment. Our objective is to improve the quality of this article, and as such we welcome any comments or suggestions to our proposed edits. Our revisions will include a focus on theory and rely heavily on scholarly knowledge from existing discourse on the topic.

Our proposed outline is as follows: Assimilation through ethnic enclaves

• Theories on cultural assimilation (hyperlink to section on Second generation immigrants in the United States)

• Barriers and buffers to assimilation

Mobility

• Social

• Economic (hyperlink to immigration section in Economic mobility)

Modes of Incorporation

• Economic

• Social/Civil

• Political

Enclave Debate

We will be drawing on work conducted by a variety of scholars including Alejandro Portes, Douglas Massey, Cecilia Menjivar, George Borjas, and Ruben Rumbaut. The aim of our contribution is to provide clear and reliable information regarding ethnic enclaves in the US, differentiating this information from the unclear focus of the rest of the article. Rmb7 (talk) 23:27, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

definition of an ethnic enclave

Two deletion debates going on now at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sydney_ethnic_enclaves and Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_August_15#Category:Ethnic_enclaves_in_Australia have some arguing over what counts as an ethnic enclave. How many reliable sources do you need calling something an "ethnic enclave", and is there another way to prove it is one? Does it count as original research to just mention communities whose census data shows have a high percentage of an ethnic group in it? Dream Focus 17:40, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

• That's some of the issue but perhaps not all of it. The issue seems to be that the term "enclave" is still used in its traditional sense in the United States - a collective of people from a particular culture centred around a particular geographic location. However, the use of the term "enclave" in Australia has evolved (or even devolved, if you like) to where that word is consistently used in the context of racism and xenophobia. While the term might be acceptable in the context of New York City ethnic enclaves, for example, Sydney ethnic enclaves has a meaning (to Australians) that is very different. In modern Australian vernacular, "enclave" is the term you use when you want to single a particular group out for attention (usually negative attention) and it has mostly negative connotations. I provided a series of examples from modern Australian press and the article Sydney ethnic enclaves has a couple of other relevant examples in the reference list. Those are reliable sources that describe "ethnic enclaves" in Australia but they do so (mostly) in that negative context.

Another editor has pointed out that in the strictest sense, Australia doesn't really have enclaves like the US does because our immigration policies developed differently (you had "give us your huddled masses", we had the White Australia policy) and so the term "enclave" in Australian English has been bastardised (in a manner of speaking) and is now used in the context of racism. By the time anything resembling actual "enclaves" appeared in Australia, they were tourist areas with kitsch "attractions" (like the gateway at the entrance of Chinatown, Sydney) or stereotyped caricatures (like those throughout "Little Italy" in Melbourne). I don't have a problem with US locations being described that way, but there needs to be an understanding that in Australia, it means something else. Stalwart111 02:06, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Nominate this article to be split

To help orient this article to a World View, I propose having "Ethnic Enclaves in the United States and Canada" becomes a separate article and begin changing the language in this article towards a global, broad concept of "ethnic enclaves". Ideally we would have ethnic enclaves article for each continent or region, and briefly touch upon the differences in policy, economics, culture, society, and demographics here.

- amiaheroyet18 January 2021

If such a split is to be done, there ought to be more in the relevant sections. Perhaps a good start would be to make more continental, regional and national sections, and move specific ideas that are more relevant to a particular place into their particular sections. Jim.henderson (talk) 15:08, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

• I don't see enough information about just one nation or continent that is specific only to it to justify splitting it out into its own article. Dream Focus 16:28, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Ethnic enclave

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Ethnic enclave's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "fact-sheet":

• From New York City: * "Chinatown New York City Fact Sheet" (PDF). www.explorechinatown.com. Retrieved August 28, 2022.
  • Sarah Waxman. "The History of New York's Chinatown". Mediabridge Infosystems, Inc. Retrieved August 28, 2022. Manhattan's Chinatown, the largest Chinatown in the United States and the site of the largest concentration of Chinese in the Western Hemisphere, is located on the Lower East Side.
  • David M. Reimers (1992). Still the golden door: the Third ... – Google Books. ISBN 9780231076814. Retrieved August 28, 2022.
  • Lawrence A. McGlinn, Department of Geography SUNY-New Paltz. "Beyond Chinatown: Dual immigration and the Chinese population of metropolitan New York City, 2000, Page 4" (PDF). Middle States Geographer, 2002, 35: 110–119, Journal of the Middle States Division of the Association of American Geographers. Archived from the original (PDF) on October 29, 2012. Retrieved August 28, 2022.
  • David M. Reimers (1992). Still the golden door: the Third ... – Google Books. ISBN 9780231076814. Retrieved August 28, 2022.
• From Chinese people in New York City: *"Chinatown New York City Fact Sheet" (PDF). www.explorechinatown.com. Retrieved April 11, 2016.
  • Sarah Waxman. "The History of New York's Chinatown". Mediabridge Infosystems, Inc. Retrieved April 11, 2016. Manhattan's Chinatown, the largest Chinatown in the United States and the site of the largest concentration of Chinese in the Western Hemisphere, is located on the Lower East Side.
  • David M. Reimers (1992). Still the golden door: the Third ... – Google Books. ISBN 9780231076814. Retrieved April 11, 2016.
  • Lawrence A. McGlinn, Department of Geography SUNY-New Paltz. "Beyond Chinatown: Dual immigration and the Chinese population of metropolitan New York City, 2000, Page 4" (PDF). Middle States Geographer, 2002, 35: 110–119, Journal of the Middle States Division of the Association of American Geographers. Archived from the original (PDF) on October 29, 2012. Retrieved April 11, 2016.
  • David M. Reimers (1992). Still the golden door: the Third ... – Google Books. ISBN 9780231076814. Retrieved April 11, 2016.
• From Chinatown:
  • "Chinatown New York City Fact Sheet" (PDF). Explore Chinatown. Archived (PDF) from the original on 2022-10-09. Retrieved March 2, 2019.
  • Sarah Waxman. "The History of New York's Chinatown". Mediabridge Infosystems, Inc. Retrieved March 3, 2019.
  • David M. Reimers (1992). Still the golden door: the Third ... – Google Books. ISBN 9780231076814. Retrieved April 11, 2016.
  • Lawrence A. McGlinn, Department of Geography SUNY-New Paltz (2002). "Beyond Chinatown: Dual immigration and the Chinese population of metropolitan New York City, 2000, Page 4" (PDF). Journal of the Middle States Division of the Association of American Geographers. Middle States Geographer. pp. 110–119. Archived from the original (PDF) on October 29, 2012. Retrieved March 3, 2019.
  • David M. Reimers (1992). Still the golden door: the Third ... – Google Books. ISBN 9780231076814. Retrieved April 11, 2016.
• From Chinatown, Manhattan: * "Chinatown New York City Fact Sheet" (PDF). www.explorechinatown.com. Retrieved April 11, 2016.
  • Sarah Waxman. "The History of New York's Chinatown". Mediabridge Infosystems, Inc. Retrieved April 11, 2016. Manhattan's Chinatown, the largest Chinatown in the United States and the site of the largest concentration of Chinese in the Western Hemisphere, is located on the Lower East Side.
  • David M. Reimers (1992). Still the golden door: the Third ... – Google Books. ISBN 9780231076814. Retrieved April 11, 2016.
  • Lawrence A. McGlinn, Department of Geography SUNY-New Paltz. "Beyond Chinatown: Dual immigration and the Chinese population of metropolitan New York City, 2000, Page 4" (PDF). Middle States Geographer, 2002, 35: 110–119, Journal of the Middle States Division of the Association of American Geographers. Archived from the original (PDF) on October 29, 2012. Retrieved April 11, 2016.
  • David M. Reimers (1992). Still the golden door: the Third ... – Google Books. ISBN 9780231076814. Retrieved April 11, 2016.
• From Little Fuzhou: * "Chinatown New York City Fact Sheet" (PDF). www.explorechinatown.com. Retrieved April 11, 2016.
  • Sarah Waxman. "The History of New York's Chinatown". Mediabridge Infosystems, Inc. Retrieved April 11, 2016. Manhattan's Chinatown, the largest Chinatown in the United States and the site of the largest concentration of Chinese in the Western Hemisphere, is located on the Lower East Side.
  • David M. Reimers (1992). Still the golden door: the Third ... – Google Books. ISBN 9780231076814. Retrieved May 5, 2022.
  • Lawrence A. McGlinn, Department of Geography SUNY-New Paltz. "Beyond Chinatown: Dual immigration and the Chinese population of metropolitan New York City, 2000, Page 4" (PDF). Middle States Geographer, 2002, 35: 110–119, Journal of the Middle States Division of the Association of American Geographers. Archived from the original (PDF) on October 29, 2012. Retrieved April 11, 2016.
  • David M. Reimers (1992). Still the golden door: the Third ... – Google Books. ISBN 9780231076814. Retrieved May 5, 2022.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 13:44, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

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