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Section sizes

Section size for Ethiopia–Tigray peace agreement (32 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	3,250	3,250
Background	61	13,792
Tigray war	5,049	9,305
Reescalation of the war	4,256	4,256
New attempts at peace talks	4,426	4,426
Negotiating period	5,185	6,825
Conclusion	1,640	1,640
Terms of the agreement	6,737	6,737
Implementation	919	22,538
Nairobi Declaration	2,652	13,165
Humanitarian access	6,473	6,473
Restoration of services	4,040	4,040
Cessation of hostilities	2,624	7,790
Disarmament and withdrawal	2,618	2,618
Amhara and Eritrea	2,548	2,548
Interim Regional Administration of Tigray	664	664
Analysis	16	15,740
Potential to end the war	1,509	1,509
Tigrayan disarmament	2,495	2,495
Eritrea	5,149	5,149
Amhara and territorial disputes	2,940	2,940
Human rights concerns	3,631	3,631
Initial reactions	25	16,774
Signing parties	25	3,540
Ethiopia	1,922	1,922
TPLF	1,593	1,593
Other countries	9,145	9,145
International organizations	4,064	4,064
See also	296	296
Notes	48	48
References	580	580
External links	2,150	2,150
Total	88,730	88,730

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The result was: rejected by BlueMoonset (talk) 15:28, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ineligible as the article has already been featured on the main page at ITN in November; there is clearly no consensus at WT:DYK for any exception to so recent an appearance

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... that the government of Ethiopia and the TPLF reached a peace agreement to cease one of the biggest contemporary armed conflicts? Source: https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/03/africa/ethiopia-civil-war-truce-explainer-intl/index.html , https://web.archive.org/web/20221016230001/https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-63275598
- ALT1: ... that a peace treaty has been signed to end the Tigray War, which led to the displacement of approximately 574,000 people and reportedly killed an estimated 100,000? Source: https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/03/africa/ethiopia-civil-war-truce-explainer-intl/index.html , https://web.archive.org/web/20221016230001/https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-63275598
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- Comment: Created per DYK suggestion @ User talk:Boud/Draft:WikiProject Peace#Ethiopia–TPLF peace agreement by User:Boud as co ordination for User:Boud/Draft:WikiProject Peace which covers peace process related articles. My personal perception is reaction section in the article be transformed into encyclopedic prose. Bookku (talk) 06:12, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Created by XTheBedrockX (talk). Nominated by Bookku (talk) at 06:12, 4 November 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Just for the record, the 574,000 displaced / 100,000 dead numbers are just for the war from August 2022–onward. The death toll for the whole war is actually closer to either 385,000–600,000 or 700,000–800,000, depending on which estimate you look at, and displacement is closer to 2.5–2.75 million. XTheBedrockX (talk)
I agree. ALT1 would be misleading - grossly underestimating the scale of the war. I've put ALT2 below and put the info in the background section. Boud (talk) 17:35, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There were some grammatical/typographical errors in the hooks. I have fixed these. – dudhhr^talk _contribs (he/they) 14:50, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2 ... that the government of Ethiopia and the TPLF reached a peace agreement to cease the Tigray War that by October 2022 had killed half a million people? Source: https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/03/africa/ethiopia-civil-war-truce-explainer-intl/index.html; https://web.archive.org/web/20221016230001/https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-63275598; https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-surge-of-dehumanizing-hate-speech-points-to-mounting-risk-of-mass (archive: https://archive.today/VSOUk)
ALT2 aims to avoid some problems in the original proposal: we're not supposed to give a somewhat surprising link; and we don't have sources in the article establishing that the Tigray War is one of the "biggest" current conflicts (there was an editing-energy-wasting debate for the lead of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine in the first few days(?) about whether or not it was "the biggest" European war since epoch X; the biggest problem was ambiguity in the sources in stating what quantity determines "biggest"), and we probably don't want to waste energy trying to find sources for the "biggest" claim, and "contemporary" could mean either "now" or XXIst century or "last 50 years". ALT2 aims to avoid the problems of ALT1, in which the numbers refer to post-August-2022 displacements and deaths, rather than overall Tigray War counts. "Half a million" is a fair round summary for 385,000–600,000 (Jan Nyssen et al, interviewed by The Globe and Mail) and a conservative lower bound for "700,000–800,000" (XTheBedrockX above; I didn't search for a source). Boud (talk) 17:35, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
700 to 800,000 is in https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-63291747 by a not-currently-Wikipedia-notable "analyst" - Abdurahman Sayed. Boud (talk) 17:50, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I do appreciate and agree with User:Boud's suggestion. Bookku (talk) 10:07, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The article is currently on Wikipedia's main page as a bolded link in the ITN section. Normally I'd quickfail this now, but as the circumstances of that requirement are under discussion at the moment, I'm marking the article with a violet tick in the meantime pending the results of that discussion. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:07, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Although the discussion is ongoing, I don't think there will be consensus for bolded links on ITN running on DYK without some time having passed (at least a few months). As such I don't think this article can run on DYK at this time. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:11, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Important update

Addis Standard posted a PDF link to the full official text of the agreement: https://addisstandard.com/official-version-of-au-led-ethiopia-peace-agreement/ XTheBedrockX (talk) 19:49, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Long-term editing on peace processes/peace research

This peace agreement didn't just suddenly turn up magically out of nowhere (and it's not yet solid). For people attracted to editing activities on long-term peace processes, research into those processes, peace researchers, peace research journals, and related issues, and wishing to add/improve serious content, have a look at the list of suggested tasks at User:Boud/Draft:WikiProject Peace and start editing and/or add yourself there. This is a fundamentally important field of knowledge that is (currently) very weakly covered in en.Wikipedia. (If the number of active editors rises above a critical, self-sustaining threshold, then the project should be moved out of my user space.) Boud (talk) 22:19, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Boud, thank you for sharing this perspective. In our current 24 hour news cycles, important world events fall out of favor and seemingly forgotten. It is important to note that peace agreements take a lot of work, time and effort. It is unfortuante that this process has not been more widely covered, especially the events leading up to the current peace agreement. Jurisdicta (talk) 16:45, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Implementation?

Seems like we currently have very few sources for a section Implementation. RFI 11 Nov 2022 says that there's nice rhetoric from an ET government member but nothing actually happening per a humanitarian worker and Getachew Reda. (I personally think that the 30 day deadline for disarming the TDF is utterly unrealistic; confidence-building will have to go in successive concrete steps by all three sides - including the EDF that is not mentioned in the agreement - and evidence that they're happening that is accepted by all sides. My opinion doesn't count for the article, of course.) Boud (talk) 01:02, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

just added it, and Addis Standard just reported some new developments too, so that should be added soon too XTheBedrockX (talk) 20:30, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Useful sources

Some links that might be useful to add this this article. Currently a little too busy to do it myself, but I'll place it here just in case:

XTheBedrockX (talk) 01:50, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]