Talk:Escape the Night/Archive 1

Archive 1

Cast list on header should be removed.

It IS Getting a second season, And will get a new cast. updating page to reflect this — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.84.6.38 (talk) 02:08, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

References

Will Adog104 stop undoing my edits?

i tried to edit Whodunnit? (2013 U.S. TV series) to refelct a broader sense if it were renewed for more than one season and if written by the producers itself (the compaion books give a clear sense of how this format works), as its tables were on the article it self. it was rejected because "it must refelct season one as its the one that aired" yet Escape the Night gets a season 2,but my changes still get rejected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.84.6.38 (talk) 13:44, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

note on graceffa role.

Although he solves puzzles with the contestants and ACTS like one, the show is featured on his channel and his card is not featured on the table in season 2's "lounge" where the contestants vote and hang out most of the time. He invited each cast to each location, weather volinarty or not. He also narrated the recap of season one. He is giving the starring bill in promotional items and credits. He is the host. Notice the presented by credit on his page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.215.90 (talk) 04:57, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

I agree that he is the host, but that does not mean that he cannot be eliminated. After all, he was voted into a challenge in Episode 4, so I think that the progress charts should include him to reflect that. Also, whoever froze the editing, can you please unfreeze it? That's not fair to the rest of us. 71.206.172.121 (talk) 19:44, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

I strongly oppose this motion because it has been subject to vandalism for such a long period of time. 99.53.112.186 (talk) 20:01, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

I concur, the show is ran by him and does not seem like he is a contestant according to sources. I would leave him out of the progress charts unless something does happen to his character (via death). Adog104 ^{Talk to me} 20:24, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Season 2 Episode 3

In the final challenge, Tana and Gabbie are selected to go into the challenge where they think one of them is going to die, but they are actually competing to save one of them, so should they really be pink or should they be white. Because they were in the challenge, but they weren't on the line like Destorm was. Mega75259 (talk) 08:56, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Mega75259; I would say that it should be pink, since either of them are in an elimination round still. Adog104 ^{Talk to me} 15:22, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Sierra Furtado's Death

In Episode 6 she dies during the exorcism when Matt puts the rosary around her neck, so shouldn't her death involve the rosary, I think we should put exorcism somewhere, but the rosary was involved. I won't put it in the actual page, but should it be included?

I think we SHOULDIN't Add cause of death to the cast table, instead we should put in in the episodes description.M622 (talk) 02:26, 22 July 2017 (UTC)M622

Regarding Liza Koshy

She's dead. I'm sorry, but whoever keeps editing her chart to say "Unknown" is incorrect. She was pulled behind the door, and blood sprayed out, which has since been proven to be hers (originally, some thought that it was the blood of the bird that took her, but then said bird appeared in the very next episode unharmed). Unless a further episode proves otherwise, she's dead. 71.206.172.121 (talk) 03:42, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

I agree!! JMonteleone (talk) 18:10, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Liza is absolutely dead (on the show). IJVin (talk) 03:34, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes, this is true MehgendHD (talk) 02:04, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

I agree People keeps on making theories about it. But it is fake. LyeanneDeGuzman (talk) 03:42, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

i think her throat was slit

Season 2 progress chart

The entire progress chart (for season 2) has mysteriously disappeared, and I can't put it back right now because the page is locked. Could you restore it, please? Also, while you're at it, please remove the "the guest returns" blue segment, and eliminate any reference to a character possibly surviving, as there is no proof of that theory and it is just wishful thinking at this point. Finally, in the Season 2 main chart, remove any and all deaths/causes of death from Episode 7 onward, as those are just guesses. Basically, just revert all of Xalexhealyx's edits and we should be good. 71.206.172.121 (talk) 00:59, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

I agree. Can I please just see the Progress chart I love it so much!

LyeanneDeGuzman (talk) 20:59, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Wrong year in episodes

So...In 2nd season episodes 1st 2 episodes are year 2017 but the others are 2016 when they should be 2017. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LizaKoshyFan (talk • contribs) 06:32, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Whoever edited this page should edit it back.

Honestly, it's very annoying that I can't edit the page. Because someone just erased the cause of deaths for all the characters. And they also erased when a background character dies. Like for Allison it was 1-8, but they erased it. And it's really annoying because SOME of us want to know how they die, not just when they got killed. 🙄 well okay, bye. Gonzagabs (talk) 17:46, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Allison

As many people know episode 8 came out and it was called "Full Moon Slaughter" no guests died but their protector did. Could this mean the villains could die also? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsdhak (talk • contribs) 05:06, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Who keeps erasing the cause of deaths

This is honestly annoying. HELLO PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW HOW THEY DIE JESUS CHRIST Gonzagabs (talk) 05:38, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

I found out who

I just found out who and I thanked them on accident JFJFKWKWKFJF KILL ME. Gonzagabs (talk) 05:40, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2017

Where it says how everybody died(or escaped) of the characters in Season One, Sierra's death is spelled wrong. Currently, it is spelled 'exorsism' when it should be 'exorcism' Person0904 (talk) 02:14, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Done Minor edit only. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 03:47, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

False/Non-Canon Information

There is information in this article that is false/non-canon. Under the Season Two Character List, it says that Tyler & Andrea died in Episode Ten and were eaten by dead guests. Where it has the list of Season Two Episodes, Episode Ten is labeled as 'Crown of Betrayal' and has a time. Neither of these should be there. In the Progress Chart for Season Two, it says in Episode Ten that Andrea & Tyler died and Joey escaped. This should be changed to be blank because Episode Ten isn't out yet. In the episode descriptions, There is a description for Season Two; Episode Ten. It should not be there, because again, Episode Ten isn't out. Person0904 (talk) 13:05, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 16:35, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2017

Add Joey to the character lists as the host. Add Jetpack girl to recurring characters list Jrum0445 (talk) 21:08, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Joey is the most obvious since he appears in both seasons, and the series includes "with Joey Graceffa" in the tiltle; another obvious case. As for Jetpack girl, it's a matter of which season she appeared in. Please specify which season, as there are 2 "Recurring characters" lists here. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 21:39, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Jet pack girl is season 2 MehgendHD (talk) 03:58, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Edit request

For episode 8's description add in Alison was killed off because it's not listed and she was killed off MehgendHD (talk) 04:00, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 August 2017

Joey can't die since he's a host, and i saw somebody added Joey in the progress chart (season 2) Dave19972123 (talk) 15:54, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Done I've reverted the article back to a more stable rev. If it happens again, someone needs to request ECP. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 16:56, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Season 2 thoughts?

WP:NOTFORUM - nihlus kryik (talk) 03:30, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Season 2 most likely just ended so I and wondering what your thoughts are MehgendHD (talk) 18:17, 16 August 2017 (UTC) I will never watch it again, i only loved the show because of Joey, and now i officially hate it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dave19972123 (talk • contribs) 18:50, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2017

In the last episode of season two of escape the night joey graceffa was stabbed, left, buried, but than once everyone left he opened his eyes. I ask that it be edited to add him as stabbed on episode ten. BBlevins721 (talk) 03:07, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Morphdog^{what did I do now?} 04:06, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Joey's Removal from Lists

Okay so I'm getting fed up because everyday I look on this and Joey keeps getting removed and added from the lists. Please, add Joey back to both the Character Lists, and the Progress Charts. It is important he is in there because 1) He is the host, 2) He did actually die, but was brought back to life. Please, add him back, and if you are reading this and keep taking him off, please stop. He needs to be on there.

Thank you. Person0904 Person0904 (talk) 07:06, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. — nihlus kryik  (talk) 07:10, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Who ever can edit please fix this

Remove "Everyone Dies in episode 10 of season 1 as that's not true Please fix this vandalism ASAP MehgendHD (talk) 23:58, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Liza Koshy (actress) -- Nominated for deletion

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Please stop deleting the "cause of death" section

It is important for that section to be there, as it provides context to the events of the show. Thank you. 159.230.195.61 (talk) 00:20, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

one more time...

Try to explain how certian pepole were eliminated in the episode descriptions themselves. also, ill say this one more time. JOEY IS THE HOST. NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS HE WILL FEATURE IN THE NEXT SEASON. so dont add him to the contestant progress..... also, its a game show/ reality competition. removed non elimination episodes.M622 (talk) 06:57, 23 November 2017 (UTC)M622

I disagree. The cause of death section needs to stay as it currently is in order to provide some context to the show. As for Joey, he may be the host, but he is able to be voted in just like any contestant. He even "dies" at one point. Finally, just because episodes don't feature someone dying doesn't mean they should be eliminated from the progress chart, as oftentimes people still get voted in. Thank you for your time. 71.206.172.121 (talk) 16:06, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

you can provide context in the episode descriptions themselves, as for joey, he did but will come back for next season, meaning it dosent matter weather he dies or not. so i see it as pointless. ill let you keep non elimation episodes. thank you. M622 (talk) 03:00, 26 November 2017 (UTC)M622

Putting aside the fact that he dies, there are times when he is voted in. If he is not on the chart, it will look like GloZell and Tana lost challenges against Lele and Andrea respectively, so it's important that he stays. 159.230.193.49 (talk) 13:31, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Unless you're planning on writing a synopsis for each episode, don't remove the causes of death section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shineedles (talk • contribs) 08:45, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

159.230.193.93....

Please stop undoing my edits to the cast section. the cause of "death" is already added to the progress chart. thank you.M622 (talk) 00:03, 17 February 2018 (UTC)M622

Character, title, or role?

Strawpoll I don't know what should we use for The "What the contestants are" coulumm. Also, Adog, Itas a reality competition, the guest's get eliminated one by one, and therse Unscripted puzzles and challenges. Its not scripted.Litter-lay the recaps for the show say "Unscripted, Unrehearsed". Even JOEY did not know the solution;s to the puzzles, and he's the creator!M622 (talk) 14:46, 17 February 2018 (UTC)M622

References

IMPORTANT

Season 3 has not even been confirmed yet, let alone released, so STOP PUTTING FAKE SEASON 3 PROGRESS CHARTS INTO WIKIPEDIA. You're just gonna confuse everyone. Don't do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.207.141.31 (talk) 22:08, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Can someone please get rid of the FAKE progress chart for Season 3?

Season 3 hasn't happened yet. All of the information on the progress chart is incorrect. I'd do it myself, but I gotta wait one more day before my account is old enough. Leahmerone (talk) 12:06, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Roi and the Progress Chart (Season 3)

This may be a minor edit but I think Roi should have "Dead¹" instead of "Dead" on the progress chart, and then explain that he wasn't exactly voted in but automatically put into the challenge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyleurr (talk • contribs) 21:39, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Can we keep the article so that we treat the show out of characther IE: a reality show?

its a unscripted reality show, not a drama per say, can we keep it like that and treat it like that.... also, why no caps?M622 (talk) 19:20, 2 July 2018 (UTC)M622

Roi's death

Honestly, I think we should put Roi's death as "Dead1" and add that The guests played jenga and who ever lost had to be in the challenge. We should also mention the fact that Nikita pressured Roi into playing. ILubPandaExpress (talk) 04:29, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 July 2018

185.142.43.74 (talk) 17:51, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Danski454 (talk) 17:56, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 July 2018

Teala Dunn needs to have her death method specified The guys were specified but she wasn't. it should be "strangled and asphyxiated by the man with no name" Someonew222121 (talk) 18:33, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: Summary is a bit too long for the table. Also, only three others have their killer specified. --Danski454 (talk) 11:41, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

MatPat’s Death

Is He Really “Dead” FightOfTheLivingDeadFan (talk) 00:59, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

WHAT IS A THESPAIN

LOL SO THE PERSON WHO REMOVED HOW THE CHARACTERS GOT KILLED AND MADE THE PAGE VANDALISM PROTECTED. AND THEN THEY CHANGED THE 'THESPIAN' INTO THE 'THESPAIN' IM LAUGHING RIGHT NOW. Gonzagabs (talk) 05:45, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Lol Elilol21 (talk) 04:19, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

colleens death

someone needs to change that colleen was betrayed by the other guests because she technically did not get voted into a challenge. like she didnt get to “battle to death” as manny and matt did, or teala and jc. they basically put her on death row. Juaniieee (talk) 05:51, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Season 3 Episode 7

We need to fix the date of Episode 7 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sergfern (talk • contribs) 00:40, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Why Joey Not on The Progress Charts

Joey FightOfTheLivingDeadFan (talk) 04:33, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Please let us all edit

I'm trying to add some stuff to the wiki page that people carelessly edited to make it seem like 5 year olds would understand it and removing Joey Graceffa from the progress chart MehgendHD (talk) 02:01, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Ok Tonchek Baloonchek King (talk) 12:24, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Ok Elilol21 (talk) 04:18, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

yeah me too, colleens death wasnt a challenge, rather than her getting betrayed by the others. Juaniieee (talk) 05:52, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

I just want to add the new stuff!!!! EtNelee (talk) 22:08, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Joey Removed from Lists???

Okay so someone removed Joey from not only the list where you can see who died on what episode and how they died, but on the progress charts too. Joey should be on all of the lists, because he's a part of the show too. Person0904 (talk) 10:07, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. This is an issue that has to be discussed with M622 first. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 13:50, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

He is not a "contestant" persay. he is the host. wheather he dies does not matter. he will return for next season, as he is the creator. - m622 — Preceding unsigned comment added by M622 (talk • contribs) 21:23, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

I still think he should be in the charts bc I think he said he would be in a s3 challenge plus he died but got revived shouldn't that be added And what about the antagonists ' deaths? EtNelee (talk) 22:11, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

How to Edit

I'm Just Being Nosey How do we Edit For Wikipedia? Sergfern2009 (talk) 02:37, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Safiya’s Death

Why FightOfTheLivingDeadFan (talk) 04:34, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

MarshmelloLover1234 (talk) 13:47, 26 July 2018 (UTC)MarshmelloLover1234== MatPat Open Space ==

When you look at MatPat's Progression Chart there is an Empty Space for the Episode He wasn't in. Can you put a symbol or something there so it is not just an empty space. Maybe make a new colored square for that thing. Like a green square that says that he was not in the episode. Thanks in Advance.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarshmelloLover1234 (talk • contribs) 13:44, 26 July 2018 (UTC) 

I wish I can Help but I'm asking for help so when I get a Reply I will fix it Sergfern2009 (talk) 02:38, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2018

80.3.183.205 (talk) 23:22, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

 Not done ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 07:44, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Make shane black

Shane didn't die in a challenge so he must be black LenDWiki (talk) 19:25, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Blueberry

Someone put Blueberry's role as the stuffed bear. But, blueberry is a dog/puppy. So, could someone change his role — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phettucine (talk • contribs) 20:28, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Someone screwed up the page

Apparently this guy named Jullien U. made a bunch of edits that screwed up the progress charts, results, and probably even more. What kind of person would do this, honestly?

Can a mod revert the page back to when it was accurate and informed us about the results of Escape the Night? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kuregai (talk • contribs) 21:55, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

SEASON 4?!

Okay, as much as I love this season 4 idea, WHERE THE HELL IS SEASON 3?! Matthew Pickel (talk) 20:03, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

== Season 4!!!!!!!

Why is it “choked to death” for Ijustine Death in S4

It says “Cause of Death” so like to say “Choked to death” is redundant. I think it should just be labeled strangled OhNoWaterSheep (talk) 02:52, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Should be mangled instead of crushed

Colleen wasn't technically “crushed” she was Mangled in escape the night season 4. Modifier0011 (talk) 22:36, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 August 2019

In the game chart for season 4, in Bretman's little 3, write, "Joey and Bretman were voted into the challenge. Bretman lost, and Scheherazade, the villain of the episode, requested his name to be written into her death story. However, Fatima, her assistant, wrote Scheherazade into the story, as revenge for Scheherazade killing Fatima's lover, meaning Bretman was safe." Wylie2024 (talk) 04:07, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. I've removed the excessive, trivial detail, so the request is moot. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:56, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Copyvio concerns

Hi, It looks as though the information on this article for the episode listings are a copyright violation of the blurb for each individual YouTube video. If this is a WP:MIRROR situation, please let me know. Copyvio test is here: [1] Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:51, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

 Removed. - Brojam (talk) 05:22, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Regarding the Bretman & S4 Tana names

An editor has edited the following:

Bretman Rock (AKA the worst ETN character of all time

and

Our Queen Tana Mongeau

Can someone please re-edit that, we don't want any negative connotations or upraising add ons. Everyone is treated as a human and shouldn't be put down against others. :) TheAnonymousEditir (talk) 20:51, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

HAS the show been dropped by youtube/RfC

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Should the article mention that the series has been dropped? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:56, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Im sorry, but it had ended on youtube prenium. please add that back to the article, i trust the variety source. IF it comes back, it must be with another network.M622 (talk) 20:29, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

That's not true, there is literally no proof besides Variety's say-so. They cited no sources. Please stop spreading misleading information. Leahmerone (talk) 03:36, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Variety is a reliable source. There's no reason to doubt their information that the series has been canceled by YouTube, especially considering YouTube has been canceling almost all of its scripted shows. - Brojam (talk) 05:46, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, there is a reason to doubt this information. For one, it has yet to be confirmed by either YouTube itself or the creators of the show. Furthermore, if you read the article, it just says that an unnamed source told them this; I'm not willing to trust unnamed sources unless there is some level of significant proof to back it up, which there just isn't in this case. Leahmerone (talk) 10:26, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Agree that Variety is a reliable source for this information. Isaidnoway (talk) 11:20, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Leahmerone - you cannot pick and choose sources simply because they do not state where the information comes from. Either the source is reliable, or it isn't. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:56, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Well, in that case, it is not reliable, because there is no proof of the things they claim, and they cite no proof or sources. If YouTube announced the cancellation themselves, or was quoted in the story, that would be different. But instead, this article simply claimed it was cancelled without citing any sources to back their claim up. Therefore, it should not be treated as fact by this page. Leahmerone (talk) 15:03, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia looks for verifiability, not "proof". Once again if an WP:RS says something then it's reliable, unless another reliable WP:SECONDARY source says otherwise. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:07, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

@Leahmerone: — You need to self-revert your edits. You do not have consensus for your edits. All of the above editor's disagree with you. Your argument that Variety is not a reliable source has been rejected. If you would like to challenge Variety as a reliable source of information, the place to do that is WP:RSNB, and get a community consensus that it is not a reliable source. Until that time, you need to self revert your edits. Thanks. Isaidnoway (talk) 16:10, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

@Isaidnoway: — With all due respect, I never said that Variety wasn't a reliable source, but that this particular Variety article wasn't reliable. Surely a compromise can be reached here? Perhaps the page can be edited to say that there is a CLAIM that the show got canceled, but that claim has yet to be confirmed by the relevant parties (YouTube, the show, etc.)? Leahmerone (talk) 04:04, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

I agree. Leah, if you revert one more time, you might start a Edit war. for the love of god, if you do you might get banned. I trust the variety article. that is all.M622 (talk) 03:32, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

With all due respect, you really shouldn't trust this particular article. The creators of the show only said that it wasn't happening this year; they further hinted that it would happen next year. And the Variety article does not cite sources. Just because it's Variety doesn't make THIS SPECIFIC ARTICLE reliable. Leahmerone (talk) 03:53, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Look, not only variety, but tubefilter as well. please. this is your last warning. stop reverting the article or you will be banned.M622 (talk) 04:57, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Tubefilter only reported what Variety said, so it is not helpful either. I have thought up a compromise: the mention stays, but it is clarified that it has not been confirmed. Leahmerone (talk) 10:07, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

I have full-protected the article for 24 hours to stop editors reverting each other back and forth. I would suggest you discuss Leahmerone's recent compromise edit, and if all are happy with that, we can move forward. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:36, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

• No — to the compromise because it goes against what the source actually says - YouTube has canceled “Escape the Night” after four seasons, ending its longest-running original series, Variety has confirmed. So it has been confirmed, and we shouldn't be misleading reader's with ambiguous language, just to appease a disruptive single purpose account editor who refuses to follow the consensus developed above that this particular article published by Variety is a reliable source to explicitly state that the show has been cancelled. The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is whether material is attributable to a reliable published source, not whether it is true. The only compromise I would support is to use attribution, and say According to Variety, the show has been cancelled, and then a sentence attributed to Graceffa from his video - According to Graceffa, season 5 of the show is not happening "this year"..."I don’t know when there will be a season 5", which reflects what the source actually says. Isaidnoway (talk) 12:22, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Pinging the other editor's involved in this discussion - @M622, Leahmerone, Lee Vilenski, and Brojam:- Isaidnoway (talk) 12:22, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Okay, whoa, Isaidnoway, there is no need to call me disruptive, I’ve been using this site for two years and I haven’t gotten involved in any problems until now. I’m just trying to end this argument so we can go on with our lives. But fine. You don’t like that compromise. Here’s another one that uses what you said above: “According to Variety, the show has been cancelled by YouTube Premium. (Unser citation here) YouTube Premium itself has yet to confirm or deny this.” Leahmerone (talk) 13:25, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

You were disruptive, you reverted multiple editors to your preferred version, knowing that you did not have consensus for your edits. You knew that your edits had been disputed by multiple editors, so therefore, the onus was on you to achieve consensus for inclusion of your disputed content. And I didn't say above that we should include YouTube Premium itself has yet to confirm or deny this., because it's not sourced, so no to that addition. Variety confirmed the show has been cancelled, and that's what we report as well. Isaidnoway (talk) 14:00, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Variety may have reported that the show was cancelled but it did NOT confirm it. It cited an unnamed report and nothing else. It’s very misleading. I’ve tried to be patient, and I’ve tried to achieve consensus, and I’ve tried to compromise. I’m fine with including the article, I just don’t want this page to act like it “confirmed” anything. It’s not that way or the highway. Leahmerone (talk) 14:05, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Variety says they confirmed it, and it can be attributed to a reliably published source, so it meets the threshold for inclusion. And you didn't achieve consensus for your disputed content, so it's time for you to WP:DROPTHESTICK. Isaidnoway (talk) 14:18, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

I have no intention of dropping any sticks, because you’re the one who’s being stubborn and not listening to anything I have to say because you’ve already made up your mind that I’m the bad guy here. If Variety said they confirmed that there exists an island of unicorns, without citing any evidence of such a claim, would you believe that and put it in Wikipedia as well? Leahmerone (talk) 14:37, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Article content is determined by consensus and reliably sourced information rather than your beliefs. In this instance, the shows cancellation has been confirmed by a reliable source, it is verifiable, there is an inline citation to that source, so it meets the threshold for inclusion. Do you have any secondary reliable sources that say the show has not been cancelled? If you do, please provide them. Just because you're not willing to trust this particular article as a reliable source, doesn't automatically mean that the rest of us are required to go along with your belief. Your argument that this particular article is not a reliable source to confirm the show's cancellation has been listened to, and has been rejected by four different editors. So are we all just being stubborn, are we all just wrong? Isaidnoway (talk) 00:00, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Listen, I'm really tired of arguing about this, so I'm going to come up with one more compromise. At least don't mention this "cancellation" in the first paragraph of the whole page. Just keep it in the "hiatus" section. And clarify that it's just Variety saying so, not YouTube Premimum. Also, you didn't answer my question regarding the island of unicorns. As to the four editors, yes, I do believe that you're all incorrect on this matter. But as I said, I'm tired of arguing, so at least don't mention it in the first paragraph, all right? Leahmerone (talk) 02:35, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

The series has been canceled by YouTube Premium so it should be mentioned in the lead per MOS:TVLEAD. - Brojam (talk) 02:44, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

It hasn't been confirmed by YouTube Premium to be canceled, as I've already said! Leahmerone (talk) 03:59, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

No, it has. WP:DROPTHESTICK.M622 (talk) 06:17, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

It hasn't been confirmed by YouTube Premium. Please reread what I said above. Leahmerone (talk) 16:03, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Variety is verifiable. Its over.M622 (talk) 18:39, 22 July 2020 (UTC), its more than enough.

I still choose not to believe that, but have you considered the compromises I've set forth? I just want to end this is a way so that everyone is happy. Leahmerone (talk) 19:47, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Regarding If Variety said they confirmed that there exists an island of unicorns, without citing any evidence of such a claim, would you believe that and put it in Wikipedia as well? Variety reporting on an island of unicorns would be an example of exceptional claims requiring exceptional sources, however the cancellation of a show is not an extraordinary claim at all, it's routine stuff for such a publication, so Variety as a reliable source is fine to use in this instance. P-K3 (talk) 14:11, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

I agree the shows cancellation should be mentioned in the lead and also in the body of the article. We have confirmation for the shows cancellation from a reliable source, and it's verifiable, and also has consensus for inclusion. The reasoning and arguments for inclusion are all based on WP policies and guidelines, so there's no need to delay the inclusion of this content any longer. Isaidnoway (talk) 09:32, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

There isn't confirmation from anything other than Variety saying so. Could you guys at least agree to one of the three (3) compromises I've put forth, instead of insisting on doing things your specific way? Otherwise, we're just going to be arguing around in circles. Leahmerone (talk) 16:02, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Im sorry, i trust the variety source. a consensus has been made. it's over.M622 (talk) 18:39, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

A consensus has not been made yet, otherwise we all would agree. Have you considered literally any of the compromises I've mentioned? Leahmerone (talk) 19:47, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

"Consensus on Wikipedia does not mean unanimity (which is ideal but not always achievable)" - Brojam (talk) 19:54, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

• Leahmerone, you need to self-revert, you are edit-warring against the consensus reached here on the talk page. Your compromises, and arguments have been considered, and listened to, it's just that nobody agrees with your position. Do you understand that? Isaidnoway (talk) 20:23, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
• I have set up a request for comment to resolve this dispute. In the meantime, I will block anyone from editing the article unless the change is not in any way related to the dispute above (eg: reverting vandalism) Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:56, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

References

RfC question and discussion

Should the article mention that the series has been dropped? (RfC question copied from above to make it easier for specific discussion on the RfC question.)-00:24, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

• Yes. Comment(s). I think this RfC is malformed, usually it’s in its own section and easy to find, and all comments are focused only on the subject at hand minus the personal barbs.
  As to the core question, it seems obvious that Variety is reliable so a blatant attributed statement would be appropriate- according to Variety _____. If any other conflicting statements come in they can be added and juxtaposed. Gleeanon409 (talk) 23:56, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
• Yes - the article should mention that the series has been cancelled in the lead and the body of the article, per WP:RS, WP:V, not an exceptional claim and attributable to a reliable published source - YouTube has canceled “Escape the Night” after four seasons, ending its longest-running original series, Variety has confirmed and YouTube has cancelled its longest-running series: Escape the Night. Isaidnoway (talk) 00:18, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
• Yes the cancellation should be mentioned in the lead and in the body because Variety, which has been published since 1905, is indisputably a reliable source for show business news, and nobody has brought forward any reliable source that contradicts Variety's coverage. The skepticism of one editor with a conflict of interest according to her user page is not a reason to exclude this verifiable information. Of course, if Variety publishes a correction, or if other reliable sources publish contradictory information, we can revisit the wording at that time. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:34, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

No - I am aware that Variety has been indicated to be a reliable source for most things. That is not the problem here. The problem is that this particular article fails to back up its claims. Even a quote from YouTube Premium itself would have backed up the claims, but it didn't. As it stands, this is nothing more than a rumor, and even goes against the word of those involved with the show, who have only said that it will not happen this year due to COVID. For more information on this argument, see the statements I made above. I am willing to compromise by having the Escape the Night page mention the article and the allegation of cancellation, as long as it does not act like these allegations have been in any way confirmed just because Variety said so. Above, I have mentioned several possible solutions as well. I would like to reach an agreement that is acceptable for all, as opposed to me being steamrollered by everyone else to just do it "their way." Leahmerone (talk) 00:38, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

• • That’s not the way it works. We report what reliable sources state. If later reliable sources state something different we then reconcile that tension between the two. What you really need now is a reliable source countering the report of the cancellation. Gleeanon409 (talk) 01:30, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Please put back the cause of death section

it was removed for no reason after being a staple of the page for years. there was consensus for it being there. Lcmr2 (talk) 14:06, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Lcmr2 is a sock of BirdOfScarlet and they are both socks of Leahmerone: WP:DENY applies. 2A02:C7F:BE17:2D00:197D:B13D:3F78:D5D3 (talk) 14:13, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Hey, this isn't true. Lcmr2 is mine, but that's because I wanted a WP:CLEANSTART. It is not intended to be a sock account. BirdOfScarlet has no relation to me whatsoever. Can we please focus on the topic at hand? Leahmerone (talk) 14:22, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

I'll raise the whirlwind: starting a new account to edit a page you've been indefintely blocked from editing? 2A02:C7F:BE17:2D00:197D:B13D:3F78:D5D3 (talk) 14:33, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

I haven't been blocked from editing the talk page, and I've made no attempt to edit the main page. I'm sorry for what went down these past few days, and I don't want that to be held against me anymore, hence the other account. I've moved on from the previous issue. Leahmerone (talk) 14:38, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

I have no idea why I was pinged to this discussion, but the IP editor is correct: Any user who has active bans, blocks or sanctions imposed (including, but not limited to, those listed here); or is currently or about to be formally discussed for their conduct (such as at an administrative noticeboard or in an open case with the Arbitration Committee); or is attempting to evade scrutiny, may not have a clean start.. I will deal with this shortly. GeneralNotability (talk) 14:42, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

I belive the pepole trying to revert it back have a conflict of interest. Gwelle is a well known moderator on the discord (and turns out to be ANOTHER youtuber that makes video's off the series,) and Leahmerone is probably using sockpuppet accounts to revert it back. I Suggest the page should be locked and Only certian pepole (including myself,) should be able to edit it.M622 (talk) 23:31, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Stop tagging me. Leahmerone (talk)

This page has been fine for several months and includes information relevant to the show especially during the elimination process. Not only does it look bad but it makes no sense to group together several things in one color when all of it has a different meaning. Watch the show and educate yourself and stop tampering with stuff that you clearly have no knowledge of. Have a good one! - Gwelle

I assure you, i have watched the show, but i belive more detailed descriptions should be in the currently blank episode descriptions. if you want to do that, then fine. Either way, they stay where they are. Its not the WP:WORLDSEND.M622 (talk) 23:42, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Hey, you know that Tyler is marked as safe in s2 ep 5 when he was voted in that ep, right? Also some things are bolded unnecessarily. Leahmerone (talk) 23:51, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

My bad, Fixed it.M622 (talk) 00:07, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Also, Ro was not voted in during ep 7, so please fix that as well. Leahmerone (talk) 00:18, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, but thanks to the twist, she was up for elimination as well. M622 (talk) 02:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

• Does anyone have any reliable sources to support any of this content in the Elimination charts section, because I can't find any at all to verify any of the content. If there are no sources, then it appears to all be original research which is not allowed, and makes the section subject to removal. If someone wants to add some sources here on the talk page, I will gladly add them to the article. Thanks. Isaidnoway (talk) 23:58, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Yea, it all comes from the episodes themselves. I believe there is also another wiki that charts the eliminations here if you would like to cite that. https://escapethenight.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Deaths Leahmerone (talk) 00:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

That appears to be a wiki and is user generated content, which of course is not allowed to be used as a reliable source here on Wikipedia. I did notice at that wiki that they used screenshots from the episodes to support the causes of death, but again we can't use that here either. But it got me to thinking that one possibility is to use cite av media and cite the season/episode number and the time where the event (cause of death) occurs in the source video, that way it can be verified by watching the video and skipping to that specific time cited. I've seen that cite template used in other articles as a source, it's not ideal, but in absence of secondary reliable sources discussing the episodes and the causes of death, it is an option to be considered. Isaidnoway (talk) 00:27, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

What's with the cast list?

I clearly belive escape the night is a reality competition, therefore it must be treated with the same cast table.M622 (talk) 17:02, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

That's what the elimination charts are for. Mixing between tables and lists (for the main cast and recurring cast) like you did is very messy. Just stick to lists with sources per MOS:TVCAST. - Brojam (talk) 19:22, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Whodunnit, the quest and Murder in Small Town X and other reality tv has cast list's where they state when each cast member was eliminated in addition to the progress chart. why do they get to keep their's while mine in erased? that's not fair....M622 (talk) 20:29, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Those other shows do not have recurring/guest stars in addition to the main cast for each season. - Brojam (talk) 03:19, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Uh, Yes they are? ETN is (for the most part) unscripted, and although some elements (mostly the cold open for each episode and general theming) are scripted, the majority (especially for the voting and puzzle solving) are NOT. and there ARE recurring characters other than the main cast in the other show's i just mentioned. it seem's you are not very familiar with the other show's and ETN in general as i am.M622 (talk) 03:53, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

M622 — What's your reason for removing the references in that section? Isaidnoway (talk) 11:08, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

oh uh, sorry! i did not mean to do that. ill put them back.M622 (talk) 11:13, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Anonymous IP addresses changing article, please stop them.

I caught a couple of IP adresses editing the page, removing the fact that ETN was cancelled by youtube. I fear this maybe LeahMerone or other's trying to revert it back. please look into this ASAP, and lock the page so only Registered user's may edit.M622 (talk) 04:52, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Wrong survivors listed in s4 elimination chart

Ro and Alex did not survive, it was Colleen and Bretman. Please fix it back. Also, it’s spelled “Winners,” not “Winner’s.” Leahmerone (talk) 13:55, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Done.M622 (talk) 14:48, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Adding a mention of the narrators somewhere?

The narrators should get like a spot somewhere. Since at least two of them being big names in the voice acting industry Laura Bailey (Season 2) and Matt Mercer (Season 3 + The Cursed God). Plus Joey and Shiobann Amisial should get narrator added to their character indication, since they are the narrators for their respective seasons. Narrators don’t get enough credit for their roles in series at all. 2600:1700:B8D0:7710:883B:B8BB:D922:C438 (talk) 09:03, 14 June 2023 (UTC)