Talk:England cricket team

Requested move 27 March 2019

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The result of the move request was: not moved (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 20:18, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

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England cricket team → England national cricket team – This is not just any cricket team it’s the England national cricket team and the word national should be added into the title. MOTORAL1987 (talk) 14:20, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

• Is England a nation? Category:National cricket teams. Bizarre to see Hong Kong national cricket team! In ictu oculi (talk) 15:38, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Team represents England and Wales, which is not a nation. Spike 'em (talk) 16:00, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
• Comment There are also at least 5 discussions around the article title in the Archive of this page. Spike 'em (talk) 16:05, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose not a national team, as it's England and Wales (which are two parts of a nation). Joseph2302 (talk) 17:19, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per all the above. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 17:26, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Comment There's also this discussion relating to the England women's team. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 17:27, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose. England also includes Wales. Also, England is not a sovereign nation. StickyWicket (talk) 20:08, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - it represents England and Wales, not just England, so this is one of the cases where a "national" side can't have the word national in it. Didn't we have this recently? Blue Square Thing (talk) 20:31, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose: as everyone else has already stated, the team has included Welsh players, plays international matches in Wales, and is run by the England and Wales Cricket Board. This isn't an isolated case – both the West Indies and Ireland teams are made up of two or more countries, so they can't be called national teams either. Richard3120 (talk) 21:06, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - in addition to what has been said above, "England cricket team" seems perfectly clear to me. And if the change was made, for consistency you'd want to make the same change for all the other Test sides, which would clearly not be possible for the West Indies. JH (talk page) 08:16, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support - We have England national football team, England national rugby union team and all the rest, so what's so different about the cricket team? The team may also represent Wales, but that's because Wales was constitutionally part of England until the 1950s and the sport isn't as embedded in Wales. We even have Wales national cricket team, as well as Scotland national cricket team. With these things in mind, I would also support moving Ireland cricket team to Ireland national cricket team in line with the rest of the cricket national team articles and even Ireland national rugby union team. – PeeJay 09:10, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support - I totaly agree with Pee for the very same reasons. (2A02:C7F:5622:2000:9C2:C7B1:8AF1:8713 (talk) 21:01, 28 March 2019 (UTC))
• Oppose: It is not a 'national' team as it represents more than one national. To use 'international' would clearly be inappropriate. Status quo is fine. Harrias ^talk 20:01, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Just because it represents more than one nation doesn't stop it being a national team. If we were talking about the Cornwall cricket team as a sub-national, regional side, I might agree with you, but this whole argument seems pretty spurious. – PeeJay 20:37, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support: What’s so different about the England cricket team when the word national is used for the Ireland national rugby union team? I think it’s just suptid how people can think that because the England cricket team also represents Wales it’s deemed inappropriate to add the word “National” when the Ireland national rugby union team represents both the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland and yet it deemed appropriate to use the term “National team” and yet it’s not appropriate to use the same term for the England cricket team what possibly can the issues be in that that it’s total hypocrisy by those who oppose it and a bit of common sense is desperately needed. (2A02:C7F:5622:2000:C811:A2F1:286:1DF4 (talk) 13:14, 1 April 2019 (UTC))

Would the 2 ip editors please confirm they are not the same person, the addresses are somewhat similar and geolocate to the same place. Describing other people's valid views as "suptid"(sic) and "total hypocrisy" is bad faith. Spike 'em (talk) 13:31, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

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Status of Wales

With the rewording of the start of this section, has the England team historically represented all of UK, as changed to, or just Great Britain (so excluding NI)? Spike 'em (talk) 09:32, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

In the past(before Ireland and Scotland were became ICC Members), England team represented all of UK. An ideal student (talk) 13:09, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

ODI squad coaches

The coaching team for the forthcoming (July 2020) ODIs are a temporary unit whilst the Test and ODI squads are split due to CV. They are not replacing those already in the main coaching positions. Spike 'em (talk) 13:05, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Why is it not called the England and Wales cricket team?

Why is the title of this page not called the England and Wales cricket team when it represents England and Wales? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CitadelofInverness (talk • contribs) 16:15, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Because the team isn't commonly known as "England and Wales", it's just England. – PeeJay 16:48, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Ben Stokes England Test Vice-Captain

Ben Stokes is England's Test vice-captain, given that he deputised for Root when the latter was injured on Day 4 of the 2nd Test of the Ashes. Shooting Spirit 007 (talk) 07:20, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Ben Stokes is England's Test vice-captain

Ben Stokes, upon his return to cricket, participated in The 2021-22 Ashes alongside fellow teammates Joe Root, Jos Buttler, James Anderson and more... The shocking surprise of the Ashes was that, after Root was sent off the field due to an injury, Stokes made the decisions for the team and deputised in Root's absence. Therefore, England's Test vice-captain is Ben Stokes. Shooting Spirit 007 (talk) 09:42, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

For those who still don't believe me, here are a few links that truly show that Stokes is England's Test vice-captain.

References

Spike 'em (talk) 14:40, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Head Coach

The interim head coach of England is Paul Collingwood so add his name. reference : https://www.ecb.co.uk/england/men/news/2475514/england-mens-test-squad-for-the-tour-of-the-caribbean-named Vishwa Sundar (talk) 17:08, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 February 2022

In the "Squad" entry for James Anderson, please change {{cricon|Afghanistan}} to {{cricon|Afghanistan|2013}}. Aleph Kaph (talk) 20:33, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done Spike 'em (talk) 14:40, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 March 2022

Hi, I just thought it would be more convenient to separate the 'Batters' (in the 'Current squad' section by Top order batsmen (i.e No. 1-4), and Middle Order batsmen. Thanks AnonymousCricketFan057 (talk) 11:18, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

How do you define top-order and middle-order? Some batters might bat at the top of the order in limited-overs cricket and in the middle order in Tests. I don't think this is really needed. – PeeJay 12:26, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't think it necessary either, unless we want sections for tail-end blockers and number-8-sloggers too. Spike 'em (talk) 13:25, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Or even in Tests:Dan Lawrence has batted at least 3 times at every position from 3 to 6 as well as a game at 7 (in an 8 match career). Spike 'em (talk) 17:55, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

And has now had a whole series as an opener too! Spike 'em (talk) 19:04, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

change title to England Men's Cricket Team

there are two England Cricket Teams, the men's and the women's, yet this is the men's page and the women's page specifies that it is the England Women's Cricket Team. this page should specify that it is England Men's Cricket Team in the title, not just in the redirect note. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.202.234.250 (talk) 18:14, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

If that change is going to be made, it should be made to all national team articles. Right now, the assumption is that the national team is the men's team. Until a big change happens in society, I don't see any reason to change things. – PeeJay 08:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 April 2022

Update the last test series lost away. eng lost 1 recent against wi woo (talk) 08:26, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. MadGuy7023 (talk) 11:53, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done perfectly good sources within the article already. Spike 'em (talk) 12:27, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 May 2022

England is ranked fifth in Tests as of 29 May 2022 woo (talk) 08:43, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done do you have a source for this? ICC and Cricinfo both still have them in 6th. Spike 'em (talk) 08:56, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Requsted Addition Of T20 World Cup Win vs Pakistan

England have won the T20 World Cup at 11:50 GMT 13.11.2022 BenDoe123 (talk) 11:44, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Current squad section

All the players who played in the last 50 over World Cup have played ODIs in the last 12 months, and hence meet the inclusion criteria listed at the top of the section. Spike 'em (talk) 07:59, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

This lists all the active players who are contracted to or have played for England in the past year (since 11 October 2023) and the forms in which they have played, and any players (in italics) outside this criterion who have been selected in the team's most recent Test, ODI or T20I squad. Spike 'em (talk) 08:07, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Mate, you are also removing Tymal Mills and Rehan Ahmed who played in the T20 / odi series after the world cup. Spike 'em (talk) 20:36, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

England's last game at the WC was 11 Nov, it is currently 12 October, so the games are definitely in the past year Spike 'em (talk) 20:44, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

@Therlinsideman, @Matt-h88, please discuss here. Spike 'em (talk) 21:14, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

yes but England don't have any white ball stuff within that period until next February 2025. They have named the West Indies squads and none of those guys are playing . Therlinsideman (talk) 06:52, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

The header of the section states that players who have played in the last 12 months are listed; all of the WC squad meet this criteria. There is no mention in this section of when they may or may not play again, and they will lose the ODI marker in a month unless they are called up to the West Indies tour. Incidentally, England have said that they'd call up a couple of players from the Test squad to the ODI one once the 3rd Test starts.Spike 'em (talk) 07:03, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

"Active" not really active if they aint gonna play Odis or t20is for at least 14/15 months come feb. Therlinsideman (talk) 08:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Currently playing a game of cricket seems pretty active to me. If you have suggestions for a better criteria than is currently used then make it and see if you can get consensus to change it. Spike 'em (talk) 09:13, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Really don't understand how you think they are active in the format when they aren't playing in the Windies series, the gap is a week away from their last appearance being 12 months ago and next series for England in white ball is February 2025....

Seems like you just want to be the editor to remove them. At least update Olly Stone's last games.... Therlinsideman (talk) 01:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

I am sticking to the criteria listed at the top of the section. These are all active players (i.e they have not retired from cricket) and have played for England in the last year. If you can come up with a different criteria, then please suggest it here. Spike 'em (talk) 08:42, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Formats have always referred to formats they've recently played, not over their whole career. They haven't recently played or been named in any white ball squads for england... And they are no chance to play until February Champions Trophy. When their next appearance is literally 110% confirmed going to be over 12 months from their last one, then I dont see how you can count them as active in that format. Eg Steve Smith last played T20Is in Feb 2025 but its guaranteed his next possible appearance will be June/July next year vs West Indies. Would you count him as a T20I active? I update a lot of international cricket teams and have always thought that to be the criteria. Therlinsideman (talk) 09:54, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

My interpretation of "active" has always been "still playing professional cricket and available for international selection" and have used that when editing this page for many years. The formats column then lists the formats they have played in the last year only (or have been in most recent squad). This has the same effect a creating a separate 1 year list for each format and merging them all together. Players (or the individual "format" designations) will then fall off the list a year after they last played. Spike 'em (talk) 10:50, 3 November 2024 (UTC)