Talk:End of history

Alternate view:End of History Scenario:Indian Society as a model: Caste System (Rigidity) with Hinduism ( Eclectic) Balance)

The larger narrative of 'nature' versus 'nurture' is ignored if we take into consideration only the 'ideological' struggle.

The 'ideological' way of looking at development of models of human self governance has been devising methods of minimising or even eliminating 'inequality' through human agency.

Mankind devised two institutional paradigms for achieving this objective- Religions-which promised equality in the other world and tried to minimise inequality in this world. and Political Parties- which set in motion an agenda of competitive visions geared towards delivering common and equal benefits to all in this world.

Practice has seen both of these to degenerate into sectarian movements and actively discriminating in an 'inclusive-exclusive' pattern.

At the other end of the spectrum was the acceptance of 'Nature' that 'we are all born unequal, live unequal lives and have unequal impact on the world'.

An institutionalised expression of this acceptance has been in Caste System of India. The critical differentiator that Caste System had was of 'an idea of hierarchy' at its core.

The Caste System has been an extremely resilient and surprisingly a very adaptable system and has been the most 'stable' system having subsumed every other variety of governance systems in the growth and history of the Indian Society in the 'global village' called Indian Subcontinent.

Structure of the Indian Society as model: The structure of Indian society, with its’ framework of rigid, ‘caste’ based, hierarchical society, counterbalanced by the religious philosophy of an unchanging and inclusive “Sanatan Dharma (Hindu)” religion, provides the answer to the search for shape of society in future. These twin institutions helped Indian people stay together practically unchanged through thousands of years of multicultural coexistence. Caste System is the ‘natural’ development model of a multicultural,pluralistic, economically multi layered social order. ‘Sanatan Dharma’, the permanent unchanging, all encompassing,ever tolerant, very understanding religion as the ‘International Religion’ is an essential corollary to Caste System and its essential partner in such a society. It is further submitted that: As the world integrates into a ‘Global Village’ and a common worldwide ‘Global Village Society’, Caste System is the (probably) inevitable structure of the society of future. It shall allow every social grouping its demarcated place under the sun. In its own way it shall render many of the current dilemmas meaningless. Rigidity of caste is provided an effective counterbalance by eclectism of Sanatan Dharma. This uniquely balanced system is self sustaining and stable. Any excess of one generates a counter response from the other. Balance is thus restored. However, like any institution, the fatal flaw of getting hijacked by vested interests and getting ossified too shall be present; therefore the warts of such an order shall also be there –in full strength. So the End of History scenario would be remarkably different from what is visualised by Fukuyama and othersAtulatulchandra (talk) 08:05, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

• Is this model discussed as an "end of history" scenario in any reliable sources? bd2412 T 21:58, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Indian Caste System, Hinduism and the hoary history of the system, is a subject of many researches. Louis Dumont's "Homo Hierarchicus" is a good starting point.However, the theory as given above of the mutually balancing relationship may not have been subject of any research. It is based on my personal observation and understanding .123.239.54.162 (talk) 09:57, 2 January 2015 (UTC)101.56.104.111 (talk) 11:02, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

I am rewriting the above to improve the presentation. If this is found ok, we can delete the above: Our efforts to derive an End of History scenario suffer from a serious shortcoming if consideration is given only to 'Ideological' Struggles, while ignoring the larger narrative of 'Nature' versus 'Nurture'. A. In an 'Ideological view’ the development of models of governance are studied with a focuses on their impact on minimising or even eliminating 'Inequality', through human or celestial agency (Nurture). Mankind devised two institutional paradigms for achieving this objective which set in motion an agenda of competitive visions - 1. Religions-which promised equality in the other world and tried to minimise inequality in this world, and 2. Political Parties- which worked towards delivering common and equal benefits to all in this world. Practice has seen both of these to degenerate into sectarian movements and becoming actively discriminatory. A realistic model for End of History has not been developed, though Fukuyama did lead to much intellectual ferment with his article ‘End of History and the Last Man’. B. At other end of the spectrum was the acceptance of 'Nature' as the dominating influence expressed as: 'We are all born unequal, live unequal lives and have unequal impact on the world'. The best institutional example of this acceptance has been the Caste System of India. The Caste System has a critical differentiator from all other socio-political orders: It has 'An idea of Hierarchy', at its core. The Caste System has been an extremely resilient and surprisingly a very adaptable system. It has been the most 'stable' system having subsumed every other variety of governance systems in the growth and development of the Indian Society throughout its history while playing out all its dynamics within the 'Global Village', called Indian Subcontinent. Structure of the Indian Society as model for the End of History: The structure of Indian society, with its’ framework of rigid, ‘caste’ based, hierarchical society, counterbalanced by the religious philosophy of an unchanging, eclectic and inclusive “Sanatan Dharma (Hinduism)”, provides answer to search for the shape of society in/of future.

These twin institutions have helped Indian people stay together through thousands of years of multicultural coexistence.
Caste System is the ‘natural’ development model of a multicultural, pluralistic, economically multi layered social order.
‘Sanatan Dharma’, the permanent, unchanging, all encompassing, ever tolerant, very understanding religious philosophy as the ‘International Religion’ is an essential corollary and counterfoil to Caste System and its essential partner in such a society.
It is further submitted that: 

As the world integrates into a ‘Global Village’ and a common worldwide ‘Global Village Society’, social and political dynamics mirror what happened in India of yore and Caste System is the (probably) inevitable structure of the society of future. It shall allow every social grouping its demarcated place under the sun. In its own way it shall render many of the current dilemmas meaningless. Rigidity of caste is provided an effective counterbalance by eclectism of Sanatan Dharma. This uniquely balanced system is self sustaining and stable. Any excess of one generates a counter response from the other. Balance is thus restored. However, like any institution, the fatal flaw of getting hijacked by vested interests and getting ossified too shall be present; therefore the warts of such an order shall also be there –in full strength. So the End of History scenario would be remarkably different from what is visualised by Fukuyama and others103.57.255.200 (talk) 15:33, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Keep in mind that Wikipedia is not the place for original research and essays. Please do not add anything to this article unless you can point to reliable sources which directly support any claims or assertions. Pburka (talk) 23:31, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Removed "it is noted"

The term "it is noted" is used throughout the article when it is not really needed. Several sentences are awkwardly written. 109.225.220.173 (talk) 22:41, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Ideas and suggestions for additions

In the following weeks, I will be hopefully making some additions to this article. Following the example of the French article on the end of history, I believe there could be more focus on individuals who have contributed to this concept. Personally, I would first like to elaborate on Hegel’s view of the end of history and thus expand on the existing section on history. Secondly, I would like to elaborate a bit more on Francis Fukuyama’s contribution to the topic on this page, since his name is often linked to the concept. The article as it is now shows a good and objective introduction into the concept, but the ideas by individuals could be expanded upon. AvdLem (talk) 14:41, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

New section and future contributions

Hello everyone! I have elaborated on the existing section on the history of the end of history, and added a new section on Francis Fukuyama. I hope that in the near future this page will be worked on more frequently. I took some inspiration from the French page myself, and hope that others will follow suit. I believe that expanding on the work of individuals that have contributed something to the concept (Hegel, Marx, Alexandre Kojève and Hanna Arendt for example) would improve the quality of this article a lot. AvdLem (talk) 13:20, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

New section and future contributions

Hello everyone! I have just added a new section on mathematical quantification of end of history. I hope that in the near future this page will be worked on more frequently. Graph8389 (talk) 15:35, 30 April 2024 (UTC)