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Question

Collapsing pronouns discussion: WP:NOTAFORUM

In Early Life and Education who is 'they' referring to? That needs clarifying for me. 82.16.132.183 (talk) 14:04, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

All the "they"s there pretty clearly refer to Corrin, no? 71.167.255.2 (talk) 04:45, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

However, it's grammatically inaccurate. She has in her bio the words "she/they". Therefore, the word "they" is the objective case, yet it's being used in the subjective case. This is wrong and needs correcting. 92.40.216.85 (talk) 16:39, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are no subjective and objective cases in English. You mean Nominative and Accusative. And where Corrin gives their pronouns as she/they, which are both in the Nominative case, I think this is intended to mean that, despite having asserted their own non-binary status, they will not object to being referred to by the feminine singular Third Person Singular Nominative pronoun.

Nuttyskin (talk) 23:18, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Birthday

Emma posted an instagram story today saying that December 1 was not her birthday. We had it sourced to TV Insider, which was wrong. Twitter stans seem to think her birthday is December 13, but I've yet to find a suitable reference. gobonobo ⁺ ^c 13:52, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That’s true, her birthday is in december 13th Ncttinghill (talk) 18:20, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:VERIFY we still need a reliable source supporting that date. Robby.is.on (talk) 21:35, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Emma had her birthday on 13 December and she did mention it in her Instagram story. Peter Ormond (talk) 09:10, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Then please cite it instead of reinserting the article from the deprecated Daily Mail. Citing reliable sources is Wikipedia 101. Why are you folks repeatedly introducing unsourced or poorly sourced content? Robby.is.on (talk) 09:28, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the InsideExpress citation (it was one of the first citations in the lead section)The InsideExpress article is datelined “June 20, 2021", It says her birthday is “this month”, which would indicate June — doesn’t refer to the month of December. This article needs a source for the date she was born.GümsGrammatiçus (talk) 18:43, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Pronouns

Collapsing pronouns discussion: WP:NOTAFORUM

As Corrin has not expressed a preference for gender neutral pronouns over female pronouns, the article should remain as it is with she/her. IronGargoyle (talk) 18:33, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand that. Emma has said they are non-binary. Which is traditionally associated with they/them pronouns. It feels like just wanting to change the article, or for other reasons. Their pronouns should be respected, especially as someone who also binds their breasts. Another traditional element of being non-binary. I request the article be changed to they/them pronouns for these reasons. Also, listing Emma an an actress is technically is incorrect as they do not identify as female. They identify as non-binary. At the very least,mi request that be changed to "actor", which is the genderless default. Kudaark (talk) 20:57, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

She is biologically female. And the way the pronouns are listed on the article makes no sense whatsoever, since it states "she/they". That's the same pronoun. One is singular, the other plural. It lacks the possessive pronoun. Someone's pronouns should be respected? Why? People don't talk to each other in third person. "Identity" is no argument, it's an unproven claim by someone. Since she is an actress such a claim is likely only there to get attention. Actors are, after all, extremely egocentric and insecure (and also dumb as dirt.)

Btw, her name is also female. "Emma" is a female name. 2A02:8388:284A:8880:7501:7A30:22CE:4B5B (talk) 07:46, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You are using the wrong pronoun. For the subjective case, she states that the word "she" is to be used. 92.40.216.85 (talk) 16:41, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Are we to take notice of the thousands of possibilities for pronouns? If so these articles will be even more incomprehensible than this one. Rustygecko (talk) 23:23, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Rustygecko: "Thousands of possibilities for pronouns"? I would assume not, given this is the English Wikipedia and there are only a few pronouns in common use, even if you include Spivak pronouns and other neopronouns — which Wikipedia does not.

As the Manual of Style says pretty clearly in MOS:GENDERID and MOS:NEOPRONOUN, we address biographical subjects with he, she or they. As it says clearly in MOS:GENDERID:

Refer to any person whose gender might be questioned with the name and gendered words (e.g. pronouns, man/woman/person, waiter/waitress/server) that reflect the person's most recent expressed self-identification as reported in the most recent reliable sources, even if it does not match what is most common in sources. This holds for any phase of the person's life, unless they have indicated a preference otherwise.

Also, as MOS:NEOPRONOUN states:

Singular they pronouns are appropriate to use in reference to a person who goes by them.

— OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 16:58, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion is incredibly confusing and little of what is being said here makes any sense to me (as someone who isn't a grammar expert). All that matters is there is clearly a huge problem with the article whereby an individual has somehow ended up being referred to with plural language. That OBVIOUSLY needs to change immediately because it's incredibly jarring and confusing. I've been on this planet nearly 50 years and NEVER read any material where a known, named individual with a known sex was referred to using "they". The article is currently nonsense. It seems as though this girl's sibling(s) have been removed from the article but the plural pronouns remained untouched. I feel terribly sorry for this poor girl having such a nonsensical Wikipedia entry. Suggest the grammar is corrected first, then any philosophical discussion about grammar can be carried out afterwards, because right now this looks like vandalism. Grand Dizzy (talk) 12:46, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is not incorrect grammar to use singular they; this is not a plural. I'm sorry that you find this confusing, but it is standard practice and complies with the Manual of Style, as you can see from the links I provided above.

This is not a forum to discuss whether or not you find singular they to be "nonsense" or "clearly a huge problem". The Wikipedia community has decided a manual of style and disagrees with you here. I can only suggest that you do more reading on the subject; the article Singular they would be a good place to start.

I will remind you that you have already had the policy WP:NOTAFORUM pointed out to you, in the process of chastising you for your misogynist comments in the topic “Your comments on Ideological bias on Wikipedia” on your Talk page. Your post here is problematic in the same way. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 15:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

“she/they” confused with “they/she”

Collapsing pronouns discussion: WP:NOTAFORUM

According to the Wikipedia article “Preferred gender pronoun”, pronouns are given in the format “subject/object”.

According to this article, Corrin prefers “she/they”, so “she” should be used when Corrin is the subject and “they” when Corrin is the object.

However, this article repeatedly uses “they” when Corrin is the subject, when “she” should be used. Nat (talk) 11:44, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. As an aside, “she” and “they” are both used to describe the subject of a sentence. “Her” and “them” would be the equivalent for the object of a sentence. Corrin placing “she/they” on her Instagram is better read as an indication of no preference between female or gender neutral pronouns. IronGargoyle (talk) 00:02, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect. "They" is the subjective only for plurals. 92.40.216.85 (talk) 16:42, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Except when it isn't. On behalf of Wikipedia, welcome to the 21st century. Sundayclose (talk) 18:18, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is an obvious correction to be made on the line "Emma-Louise Corrin were born on 13 December 1995"

Regardless of preference Emma is still singular, the line should read "Emma-Louise Corrin was born on 13 December 1995" 197.211.205.214 (talk) 14:18, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Filmography

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Please update the table in the Filmography section - Lady Chatterley's Lover has been released. Thank you 76.14.122.5 (talk) 06:14, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Already done Colonestarrice (talk) 05:08, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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It was announced that Emma Corrin will star as the villain of Deadpool 3. I would like to add this info to the filmography table So on filmography I want to add that in 2024 they will star in Deadpool 3. Role will be left as TBA until officially announced

^[1] ^[2] HazmatPyro (talk) 13:24, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: Since Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, we'll wait until the role is officially announced. M.Bitton (talk) 16:23, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

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Please insert a line break before ==Career== to fix the header. Also remove the blank space before the reference that immediately precedes this header. Thank you. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 05:49, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done voorts (talk/contributions) 06:17, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Change they to she 47.187.175.29 (talk) 00:11, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. see above discussions Cannolis (talk) 00:26, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Change they to she 47.187.175.29 (talk) 00:34, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Singular, not plural, they

Corrin is one person, so the first sentence of "Early life and education" should read "Emma-Louise Corrin was born [...]", not "Emma-Louise Corrin were born [...]". I'm guessing that the confusion comes from someone who isn't quite familiar with the singular they, but there shouldn't really be any confusion when the sentence's subject is the person's name. --90.233.215.252 (talk) 12:29, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done daylon124 (talk) 15:51, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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All "she" pronouns on this page should be changed to "they" as Emma uses they/them pronouns. 2600:6C52:7B00:283C:C019:F6E8:111F:B4A (talk) 06:04, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done Cannolis (talk) 06:52, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How can you change pronouns? I don't get it. Can anyone choose any pronouns? Reader will get confused. Correct English grammar should be used. Akt 2000 (talk) 11:13, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is correct: "The singular “they” is a generic third-person singular pronoun in English. Use of the singular “they” is endorsed as part of APA Style because it is inclusive of all people and helps writers avoid making assumptions about gender". Taken directly from the APA style web site. Also, you should read more from english literature, after all, even Shakespeare used singular they in his works, because... is proper english grammar. 177.232.91.217 (talk) 21:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"They" is correct when referring to someone whose gender you currently don't know. If there are several people, "they" would only confuse everyone. 109.87.36.102 (talk) 23:52, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bro I literally am a doctoral candidate in English here to tell you that singular they is grammatically correct and has been for seven hundred years. Cope harder, and stop using the talk section of Wikipedia sections for you transphobic trolling. 2600:1700:4A5D:5210:D954:9F75:D766:47F4 (talk) 17:12, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They is correct when referring to someone whose gender you don't know. If there are several people, "they" would only confuse everyone. 109.87.36.102 (talk) 23:52, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If she was in a group of people and I had to refer to them as a whole, "they" would only confuse everyone. You can't make up pronouns in a language that is built around them. 109.87.36.102 (talk) 23:54, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Change to preferred pronouns

Emma's preferred pronouns are not presently represented in this article. 2A01:4B00:F627:8900:C412:A6DB:4823:79B8 (talk) 20:28, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pronouns again

Collapsing pronouns discussion: WP:NOTAFORUM

Thread retitled from "She is one human female.".

Why is this article written so awkwardly? Referring to her as multiple people? 2806:2F0:1280:838C:7093:D139:5215:3033 (talk) 21:47, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because is a non-binary person who goes by they/them. The English language includes the concept of "singular they." 177.232.88.118 (talk) 18:34, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

People can identify as what they want but that shouldn't mean the populace be required to cater to their identity of the day.

And yet, here we are. Lord Woot (talk) 20:37, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But we do, every single day. Everytime someone tells you their name, their nickname, or anything related to their identity. You don't call people by a random name nor do you try to change who they are.

Pronouns are just that, a part of people's identity. It's not that hard to understand and it's pretty easy to respect. 189.201.11.30 (talk) 05:11, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 9 August 2024

Undo vandalism done across three minor edits made minutes ago by User:Lord_Woot. BlasterBuilder (talk) 10:34, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pronouns, but not a discussion about their legitimacy

Where is our source for Corrin prefering they/them? The cited source doesn't say that, it says "the Golden Globe winner is believed to have changed their pronouns to she/they, after briefly adding new pronouns on their Instagram page. However, it appears the actor has since removed the pronouns from the account." What does "she/they" mean, given that the standard pronouns are usually he/him, she/her, it/it, and they/them? GA-RT-22 (talk) 01:13, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found it, and will add it to the article. GA-RT-22 (talk) 22:08, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://deadline.com/2023/02/deadpool-3-emma-corrin-lands-lead-role-in-marvel-studios-sequel-1235258306/

[2] ttps://www.marvel.com/movies

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