Talk:Elective caesarean section

Re merger suggestion

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It has been proposed to merge cesarean delivery on maternal request with elective c-section because "this is a subtopic of that article"

• Against merger: 1.The argument that CDMR is a subtopic of elective cesarean section is fallacious; in turn, elective CS is a subtopic of cesarean section; and so on. 2.In the past elective CS was always medically indicated; the phenomenon of CDMR is new and profoundly different. Technically CDMR is "elective", however, this is a semantic restriction that fails to account for different forms of electivity: A medically indicated elective CS (historically "elective CS") is elective by timing and the judgment of the physician, while a CDMR is always a patient's choice. Keeping the articles separate is the sensible thing to do. Ekem (talk) 19:57, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
• For merger. The topics are similar enough -- and have such similar leads -- that to the lay person they appear to be two sides of the same coin. "Request" equals "Elective". 23skidoo (talk) 03:54, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

"Request" does not equal "elective", because "elective" does not equal "request"; the terms are not interchangeable.Ekem (talk) 17:01, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

• Comment. At least put the {{otheruses4}} tag up. Bsimmons666 (talk) ^Friend? 00:07, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Time to close discussion. No consensus: no merge. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 15:42, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

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Meaning of "elective"

I thought that "elective" meant elective surgery, and actually I still think that is the usual use of this term. Inside medicine "elective" often means "scheduled", whereas outside of medicine it often means "voluntary" or "optional". These meanings create confusion about whether a person is having a scheduled surgery or an optional surgery, when the concepts have no relationship to each other. I just found a reputable source and authority in which the author discusses planned elective caesarean sections, and is thereby using the term "elective" to mean "optional". This source is supporting evidence that this sort of talk happens sometimes. This article should be careful to make a distinction, because elective can mean different things and different authorities use it in different ways.

• Hannah, M. E. (2 March 2004). "Planned elective cesarean section: A reasonable choice for some women?". Canadian Medical Association Journal. 170 (5): 813–814. doi:10.1503/cmaj.1032002.

Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:11, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, in the UK at least Elective means "scheduled" - will fetch up a source. Concerned that the merge has been made on flawed grounds. Elder pegasus (talk) 21:03, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Here we go : http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Caesarean-section/Pages/Introduction.aspx confirms the definition (at least in the UK) as "scheduled". Elder pegasus (talk) 21:06, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Comments after merge

There was only little to be merged to Cesarean section that I didn't already find there, but a second look at the version before the merge ([1]) is appreciated. Here are some comments on some content that I didn't merge:

• I frankly couldn't clearly follow what the section starting with "The fear of litigation is cited to drive the elective caesarean section rate higher" really wanted to say; It is known that it increases the rate of Uterine rupture, but what does this have to do with litigation?
• The section "Special cases" couldn't really say anything for sure, but the topics are already included in the articles Cesarean section and Vaginal birth after caesarean.
• The last section is already described in the article Caesarean delivery on maternal request.

Mikael Häggström (talk) 16:58, 1 December 2014 (UTC)