Talk:Eight-ball jacket

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 10:02, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that at the height of their popularity, eight-ball jackets were such a status symbol in the East Coast hip hop scene that they were frequently stolen at gunpoint? Source: New York Times, 1990, NYT, 1991, NYT, 2014
  • ALT1: ... that Seinfeld character David Puddy wore an eight-ball jacket in the episode "The Reverse Peephole" (1998) because the episode's writer was deliberately trying to make the jackets seem unfashionable? Source: NYT, 2014
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/87th African Infantry Division
  • Comment: This is a couple days outside the usual seven-day nomination window because I was trying to get a photo of one - no luck, and I didn't realize I had gone past a week since mainspacing it. There's not a huge backlog of nominations, so hopefully it's okay if I squeeze this in. It's such a lovely oddity, I'd hate to miss out on it as a DYK.

Created by Premeditated Chaos (talk). Self-nominated at 13:04, 6 February 2022 (UTC).

• I'm going to IAR on the nomination being a bit late. The article is long enough and has no copyright violations. Both hooks are directly cited. A QPQ has been completed. The promoter can choose the hook. SL93 (talk) 01:38, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

ALT0 to T:DYK/P2

image of the actual jacket

is there no free-use image of the actual jacket available anywhere? An image of the cue ball being displayed prominently is a little confusing... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 10:02, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Nope. I've been busting my ass trying to get one and no dice. Emailing people on ebay, posting on Reddit, checking Flickr... all for nothing. Got a tip that the Museum at FIT in New York has some, so I've just emailed them asking for a donated photo. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 18:02, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

My response too. Especially after being featured on Wikipedia's home page today. Good luck finding one. Can’t you just use one on fair use? Wis2fan (talk) 03:52, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

No, since theoretically you could make a free-use photo if you could find one of the jackets, you can't use a fair use replacement. I did get a response from the FIT museum though, so hopefully that will come through. I didn't realize it was in the next queue to be posted (my bad for not checking) or I'd have asked it to be postponed till I heard back. By the time they emailed me this morning asking for more details, it was already on the front page at DYK. C'est la vie. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 03:56, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Would an illustration of the jacket be acceptable? Because I can make one. Dronebogus (talk) 12:12, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

If the museum falls through, maybe. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 12:16, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

:) Dronebogus (talk) 12:17, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

• Someone just uploaded a copyvio image, which I chucked immediately. Maybe this needs a placeholder illustration to keep driveby users from “improving” it with unlicensed images. Dronebogus (talk) 14:36, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

• Relax, man. I would understand if dozens of people had tried to add CV images to the article, but it's one person who made one incorrect attempt in good faith. It hasn't even been 24 hours since the museum got in contact with me. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 14:39, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

• I’ve apologized to the user. Dronebogus (talk) 14:48, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

• Cheers :) ♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:25, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

  @Premeditated Chaos: Anything? Dronebogus (talk) 05:52, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

  Unfortunately nothing from the museum directly, but hoping I can get someone in the area to take a photo for me while the exhibit is up. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:15, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Eight-ball jacket/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: The Most Comfortable Chair (talk · contribs) 04:21, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello. I will review this soon. — The Most Comfortable Chair 04:21, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Lead

• "created by San Francisco–based designer Michael Hoban in 1990." — We mention in the article that '... Salt-N-Pepa, who wore the jackets in the video for "Push It"'. Since that song was released in 1987, I would not be so sure if "1990" is the accurate origin year.

• Huh...wound up down a bit of a rabbit hole here. The Push It video is available on YouTube, and it's obvious that they aren't wearing 8 ball jackets at all. Very similar loudly color-blocked leather jackets, but very clearly not the actual 8-ball design. And in fact this Vanity Fair article shows them in the same jackets and mentions that they were actually designed by the legendary Dapper Dan. (Now, whether Dan was specifically knocking off Hoban's already-existent loud-leather-jacket schtick there is another story). So that's a fuck-up from multiple sources that I've unintentionally been spreading. Fixed now with a hatnote and explanation just so one else tries to "correct" it in the future.

Design and knockoffs

• "which originally retailed for approximately $800" — since this was around 30 years ago, would you say that the inflation template could be useful for perspective? $800 in 1990 ≈ $1800 in 2022.

• I really hate including the inflation template; it makes everything so cluttered

• "partnered with one shop" — Better if we can name the shop.

• Sure

• "and sold at a lower price point than the mainline jackets" — Would we know that approximate price or price range?

• $299 as it turns out

Original trend

• "Other rappers referenced the jackets in their songs" — I noticed that the source does not say names, but are there other sources that name notable rappers we can mention here?

• I didn't find any other contemporary notables named in sources; I suspect it may have been an underground thing at the time, or just something that went unremarked in secondary sources

• "In 2009, two suspects...were arrested." — Since this was 13 years ago, do mention whether they were convicted or acquitted, if there are sources you can find on that.

• Couldn't find any updates on them. Probably pled out, which wouldn't really have been all that newsworthy.

Legacy

• "hip-hop culture" — has been linked previously in "Design and knockoffs".

• Fixed

References

• Use consistent date formats — yyyy-mm-dd or mm-dd-yyyy
• Linking could be more consistent — if you are linking "work" and "website" whenever first mentioned, make sure you do them for all (for instance, Vulture is not linked and The New York Times is linked twice).

• Both done (I believe, but I am liable to miss things occasionally)

That should do it. The article is concise and a fun read! — The Most Comfortable Chair 01:55, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

• Glad you enjoyed it! I saw it on the requested articles list and was like, "what the fuck is an eight-ball jacket?" Turns out the answer is "a great deal of fun to write about." Hopefully my fixes are suitable and I didn't miss anything. The only one I didn't do was the inflation template (let me know your thoughts). Cheers! ♠PMC♠ (talk) 05:54, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

I wasn't sure if the template would be useful so I asked — it does make things look cluttered, and on another look, it isn't very necessary here. I wish we had a template that would show the inflation adjusted amount when you hover the mouse over it. "what the fuck is an eight-ball jacket?" is what I thought when I saw it on GAN and thought it would make for a fun review; it did not disappoint! — The Most Comfortable Chair 11:18, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Final

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it well written?

   A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

   B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:

2. Is it verifiable with no original research?

   A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

   B. All in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines:

   C. It contains no original research:

   D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

   B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):

4. Is it neutral?

   It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:

5. Is it stable?

   It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:

6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   Succinct and well-written, the article references reliable sources and is illustrated appropriately. It is a delightful article — even if its subject might not be. — The Most Comfortable Chair 11:18, 13 August 2022 (UTC)