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A fact from Ed Forchion appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 7 June 2017 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that activist Ed Forchion tried to legally change his name to NJWeedman.com, but was denied by courts in New Jersey and California?

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Press coverage: best Wikipedia "Did you know..." ever -- The Hammer of Thor (talk) 14:30, 8 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Writ of Certiorari petitions" section

Can someone re-write this section, and its title, in layman's terms, please? I, myself, do not understand any of the legalese jargon. -- The Hammer of Thor (talk) 15:45, 4 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm moving this section here, until it can be rewritten in English:

Forchion has asked the New Jersey Supreme Court for a discretionary review stemming from his conviction.^[1] On March 8, 2016, Forchion and his lawyers filed a Petition for Writ of Certiorari to the U.S. Supreme Court (US Supreme Court Docket – 15-8533) with ten questions for review and response regarding race and religion as it relates to cannabis.^[2]^[3]

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^ CERTIFICATION FROM A FINAL JUDGMENT OF THE Defendant-Appellant :SUPERIOR COURT OF NEWJERSEY, APELLATE : DIVISION (DOCKET NO. 076425) (PDF). Retrieved 20 May 2017.
^ Gotten, Valerie (5 April 2016). "Cannabis Activist Ed Forchion Challenges N.J. on Race and Religion Before the U.S. Supreme Court – California Newswire". Retrieved 21 May 2017.
^ "U.S. Supreme Court may hear NJ Weedman's appeal of marijuana conviction". New Jersey 101.5 – New Jersey News Radio. Retrieved 21 May 2017.

The Hammer of Thor (talk) 23:36, 11 June 2017 (UTC)::[reply]

Please do not remove standard English referenced material, even if you don't understand it.Djflem (talk) 04:58, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Writ of Certiorari" is not English. Please translate, that's all I've asked. (Also wondering: Shouldn't this be a sub-section under Arrests, trials, and legal motions ?) -- The Hammer of Thor (talk) 14:34, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Until then, this violates WP for the reason you've outlined: I can't understand it and I'm an average person. Content must be written in English and without scientific or legal jargon, so that it can be understood by an average person.

Do not re-add the content until the WP violation has been resolved! -- The Hammer of Thor (talk) 18:09, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for making improvements, Djflem. Still contains jargon, needs a little bit more work, but it's quite a lot better now. -- The Hammer of Thor (talk) 21:44, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Background

Background is a better name for section which discusses place of origin education, military service, religion, previous occupations, medical marijuana usage (especially since that's part of his public profile and not a private matter). Personal life and family are not covered in this section, other than the fact that he is a father.Djflem (talk) 18:52, 8 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. Religion, past occupations, medical conditions, place of birth, parents, marital status, and children are all things having to do with Family and personal life.

People do not have a "background." Events have backgrounds. The term, used as a section title for a biography article in this manner, is not neutral in tone and therefore should not be used. Family and personal life is the appropriate title for the section. -- The Hammer of Thor (talk)

You have conveniently avoided the main content of the section: schooling and armed services. Background checks, educatonal background, military background, ethnic background, religious background, personal background (information) are all common terms, so yes people have backgrounds, making the subsection the most inclusive and most appropriate. Family history is sometimes used, but there's little information here about that history.Djflem (talk) 06:03, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Is it because military is a type of public service that you're so adamant that it's not a part of someone's personal life? In a biography article, "Background" would be what happened before the person was born. Far from inclusive, the term violates WP:POV here. Articles about people begin with "Early life and education" or "Family and personal life" sections, or something of that nature.

When I have time, if someone hasn't already before me, I'll work on expanding this section. We have enough information I think it will eventually dwarf the "Arrests, trials..." section. We know about his parents, his brother (who was arrested with him at least one time), and about his battles for custody of his children. And there are citations about his name switch from Robert to Ed. And his anecdotal experience with medical cannabis halting the symptoms of his asthma.

If the compromise Family, personal life, and military background meets your approval, I'll go ahead and make the switch. -- The Hammer of Thor (talk) 15:28, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I dont; agree with all the assumptions your making, especially about what you think I'm adamant about or what POV is or what specifically article and their headers start with, which are many. I also didn't say that your change meets my approval, but yet you went ahead and changed it while this discussion is taking place. (speaking of violations). Please explain how terms like educatonal background, military background, ethnic background, religious background, occupational background all commonly used tens when discussing someones history could possibly be about a person before they were born.I will revert and await your reply on this discussion page. I suggest personal background".'Djflem (talk) 17:00, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is a collaboration. Please explain why you think Family and personal life is an inappropriate title for the section and keep removing it. Yet you think Personal background is an acceptable title. You are not the only editor of the article. I'd like to work together to make this the best article we can, and I've expressed my concerns as articulately as I am able.

I'm going to stick with: I think "Family and personal life" is a far more appropriate and inclusive title for the section than "Personal background." However, I am willing to compromise and add "and military background" or "and military service" if you insist. Though my preference would be simply: Family and personal life. -- The Hammer of Thor (talk) 23:31, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that Wikipedia is a collaborative project and therefore asked you to look at Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, which explains that changes to topic of discussion should not be made during a discussion. Please see Wikipedia:Edit warring in which you are engaging and Wikipedia:Tendentious editing and try to find Wikipedia:Consensus/Consensus decision-making before making changes. Make your other proposal and suggestions here as the current one has been rejected. Please read above why. Djflem (talk) 04:58, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I ask again: Why is "Personal background" acceptable, and "Family and personal life" unacceptable? I've explained my objection to the word 'background' being non-neutral, because people have life and things or events have background. Why are you fighting about it? What exactly is your objection? -- The Hammer of Thor (talk) 14:40, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've explained &I don't believe your claim about "event" is valid. Please explain how terms used in American English such educatonal background, military background, ethnic background, religious background, occupational background are unacceptable. They commonly used tens when discussing someones personal history, which is clearly not an event, but rather about their educatonal background, military background, ethnic background, religious background, occupational background. Background is the common theme. Generally the term medical history is used since medical (and legal, for that matter) background generally refers to somewhere education and work experience in the field. What makes that section more personal than any other section since a biography is about the person? Why does one sentence about children make it about family?Djflem (talk) 15:17, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You haven't answered my question. You just keep repeating WP:IDONTLIKEIT and that doesn't help your case. -- The Hammer of Thor (talk) 18:19, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still waiting for your answer. What is your objection? Please respond. Yes, my position remains religion, past occupations, military service, medical conditions, place of birth, marital status, and children are all things having to do with Family and personal life, and that is an appropriate, suitable, neutral name for the section. -- The Hammer of Thor (talk)

Bail, pretrial detention, 180 days court cases

http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2017/09/weedmans_latest_set_of_appeals_denied_by_court.html#incart_river_home

Background ?

When did background become derogatory? By whom and whom? 2001 is not early life if born in 1964, so caption is incorrect.Djflem (talk) 05:01, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to change the headline to Family and personal life as discussed above, because there's much information about Forchion's parents, marriage, and children that's been published in books and news stories which I would like to contribute to the article. Your objection continues to boil down to WP:IDONTLIKEIT and that's stifled any progress. Wikipedia is a community, the page for Ed Forchion doesn't belong to you alone. Let others help. I've explained my objections to the title Background being used in an article about a person, and you've repeated "WP:IDONTLIKEIT" regarding my objections. If you don't think Early life or Family and personal life are accurate, then try suggesting a phrase that we both agree is appropriate, perhaps just Personal life ? -- The Hammer of Thor (talk) 16:43, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And, again, to answer your question about who decided Background is a derogatory heading in an article about a person, my answer is the Wikipedia community decided that. And I challenge you, again, to illustrate that you're right and I'm wrong by pointing to even one or two Wikipedia examples that meet "Good Article" nomination standards and use your choice Background as a heading rather than my choice Family and personal life or simply Personal life. Otherwise, all you're doing is engaging in the type of Wikipedia:Tendentious editing that you accused me of doing, above. -- The Hammer of Thor (talk) 20:01, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Who is stopping you from contributing anything? It's nonsense to suggest so. The header should reflect the content of the subsection, and as mentioned 2001 is not early life if born in 1964, so header was wrong, don't you agree? Incorrect headers are what IDON"TLIKE. So go ahead, add the information that you claim you've been "prevented" from adding and give it an appropriate header based on the content and see what happens.Djflem (talk) 20:12, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] CERTIFICATION FROM A FINAL JUDGMENT OF THE Defendant-Appellant :SUPERIOR COURT OF NEWJERSEY, APELLATE : DIVISION (DOCKET NO. 076425) (PDF). Retrieved 20 May 2017.

[2] Gotten, Valerie (5 April 2016). "Cannabis Activist Ed Forchion Challenges N.J. on Race and Religion Before the U.S. Supreme Court – California Newswire". Retrieved 21 May 2017.

[3] "U.S. Supreme Court may hear NJ Weedman's appeal of marijuana conviction". New Jersey 101.5 – New Jersey News Radio. Retrieved 21 May 2017.

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