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Not moved, 10 February 2023, from 2023 Ohio train derailment to 2023 East Palestine, Ohio rail disaster, see discussion.
Not moved, 6 April 2023, from 2023 Ohio train derailment to 2023 East Palestine train derailment.
Moved, 17 February 2024, to East Palestine train derailment, see discussion.

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Supply Truck picture is blatant political speech, wildly unnecessary, and completely out of place

Seriously this is there for political reasons. It was slipped in with the subtlety of a baboon. Mferrari3 (talk) 04:23, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Considering MOS:PERTINENCE this image is unnecessary and distracting There's already another photo in that section anyways. If a better image can be found, this one should be replaced. Otherwise, we wouldn't be losing much by removing it either. In the alternative, if a gallery were added to this article, I would be in favour of putting this in the gallery and removing it from the main text instead of deleting it altogether. Combustible Vulpex (talk) 11:06, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The truck was delivering supplies to the village. To suggest it was irrelevant is ridiculous Trade (talk) 09:56, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 17 February 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to East Palestine, Ohio, train derailment. Consensus to move, and consensus on the alternate proposed title. – robertsky (talk) 15:49, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2023 Ohio train derailment → East Palestine train derailment – WP:COMMONNAME and the year does not need to be included as it could not be confused with any other disaster if the name of town is included. MountainDew20 (talk) 23:29, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support the proposed title is clearly more recognizable based on media coverage, and therefore more useful to our readers. I would not usually support this sort of move but this event has gotten an exceptional level of coverage, with almost all of it using "East Palestine" much more prominently than "Ohio". Elli (talk | contribs) 23:48, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The media coverage has put more attention to East Palestine than Ohio train derailment. Furthermore, in a previous discussion that had a similar approach, it was mentioned there were other incidents like this in Ohio. For me at least, I think the change would help make the disaster title be more recognizable.

174.44.191.134 (talk) 04:11, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

East Palestine, Ohio, train derailment. Palestine unqualified brings to mind other things these days. Hyperbolick (talk) 22:39, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Oppose~~: What is the evidence that the proposed name is the COMMONNAME? The EPA calls it the East Palestine, Ohio Train Derailment. The West Virginia Department of Environmental Protection calls it the East Palestine, OH Train Derailment. The Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection calls it East Palestine Train Derailment. The NTSB calls it the Norfolk Southern Railway Train Derailment. The New York Times calls it Ohio Train Derailment. The Guardian calls it the 2023 Ohio rail disaster. NBC calls it Ohio train derailment. Reuters calls it Ohio Train Derailment. APNews calls it East Palestine train derailment. It doesn't really seem to have a COMMONNAME either way. In that case, WP:NCWWW applies. Bait30 ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 01:03, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Use Ohio if you want to, I just think the name should include “East Palestine”. MountainDew20 (talk) 19:59, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:TITLE, a policy, takes precedence over the WP:NCEVENTS guideline (see my !vote below). As much as this was reported as an Ohio event, nearby Pennsylvania was also affected, and since East Palestine—as the epicenter—rightly appears in many news headlines, it makes sense to have it in the title. In any event, none of the examples given in Wikipedia:Naming conventions (events) § Road and rail come with the year. StonyBrook _babble 23:06, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Changing my vote to East Palestine, Ohio train derailment per StonyBrook. Bait30 ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 23:26, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Oppose~~ as proposed, but Support East Palestine, Ohio, train derailment per all five WP:CRITERIA and User:Hyperbolick. Agree that East Palestine is ambiguous enough to parse by US state, so I would insist on that detail. A look through Category:Railway accidents and incidents in the United States gets us the following short list of dual US city-state train article names that already exist:

Per WP:CONCISE and WP:CONSISTENT, almost half of these indeed lack the date identifier, so I don't see why it's really necessary. StonyBrook _babble 23:06, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Inconsistent Number of Derailed Cars

In the first paragraph is states that 38 cars derailed, but under the derailment section, it says 51 cars derailed. Which is it actually? Or is it that 51 cars became separated from the freight train and only 38 of those 51 actually derailed? Sealpaii (talk) 17:18, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NTSB report?

The NTSB released their final report on the derailment yesterday I believe. And has quite a bit of information that someone should probably go through and mention on here. This article as far as I can tell, makes no mention of said final report. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 15:11, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Upgrade to B class?

Ordinarily I’d probably do this myself. But since this is a big article and I’m somewhat inexperienced. I’d like someone else’s take on this. Does this article meet the B class criteria? And if not, what part is it lacking in? West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 00:58, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chemical Manufacturers Said No Reason To Burn

As the people in 8 states effected from the explosion of many many tons of chemicals are dying from devastating and locally currently common diseases and cannot afford to move, it's been reported that the manufacturers of the chemicals said it was cooling down and would pose far less risk to let it die out than ignite it.

Seems probable that the ignition was only done to clear the area faster without regard to the millions of people in the path of the life altering fallout.

There needs to be a criminal investigation first on the negligence of the company to heed warnings of its failing infrastructure, then, its absolutely abysmal premeditated attack on so many lives, properties,and municipalities, and finally its deceitful and inhumane response after the fact while so many suffer.

The politicians responsible for lax regulations and blatant disregard to the lives and prosperity of their constituents, need to be dressed in orange, too. Cdubyaford (talk) 13:52, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]