Talk:East Cleveland, Ohio

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Comment 1

Made some changes to this article. To begin with, "Huron Road Hospital" is now officially known as "Huron Hospital" (Its no where near Huron Road, though many locals continue to refer to it as "Huron Road" or just "The Road"). Secondly, I tried to remove some of the language that seemed subjective rather than unbiased and academic. For instance, the part about how any resident of East Cleveland that "truly wants an education" can just "hop on a bus" to get to a college. Or, the parts that were written like an advertising campaign to improve the population of the city.

Comment 2

This article IMO needs a little cleanup, and a more balanced POV. But I do like the recent changes.

At present, East Cleveland is best known within the region as a community devastated for 50 years by urban problems such as concentrated and persistent poverty, violent crime, corruption, abandonment of property, and "white flight" (more properly known as middle-class flight, as numerous nearby communities have a large and growing population of middle-class and professional African-Americans).

But with the Euclid Corridor project under way, and various other trends helping to renew interest in urban living, it is very possible that East Cleveland could "come back," as have many other formerly blighted communities in and around the Cleveland area.

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Comment 3

The recent changes to this article have done really well to expand the amount of available information. The inclusion of the several new sections really flesh out the amount there is to know about East Cleveland. My biggest note would be that it seems like the education section could be streamlined, perhaps the school district subhead could just be folded into the section itself. My only other suggestions would be to seek to add more to the business section if possible (biggest employer, unemployment rate, etc.). Jdicke16 (talk) 05:32, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality

This article, in addition to lacking sources, seems to me as it needs some attention on bias, as certain comments without sources appear to dismiss problems that are known to exist within the suburb, historically one of the most impoverished areas of Cleveland. I went ahead and removed the most outrageous claim, that domestic violence was a trivial crime, but similar claims and questionable statements appear to occur elsewhere. Also, a significant portion of the recent major edits appear to have been made by a user claiming to be the city's mayor. Suntzu3500 (talk) 19:45, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Crime

The "Crime" portion of this article has a first paragraph completely lacking in support and that I as a native of NE OH who still has family there find pretty incredulous. Where are the statistics that all the population of East Cleveland up and moved to the "west side"? If no support for this paragraph is forthcoming, it ought to just be deleted. Also no mention of the 2012 police chase that ended in East Cleveland and resulted in a Justice Department investigation of the Cleveland PD. Article needs a major overhaul especially in view of recent events where East Cleveland is taking steps to get Cleveland to just annex it. TheBlinkster (talk) 20:29, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Crime, continued

Most of this section's content consists of accounts of two sensational cases, one involving a sex-offender serial killer, the other resulting in a sizeable judgment against the city for police brutality. Neither case is an accurate reflection of the crime situation in East Cleveland. Sources which sum up the crime situation in the city should be used to beef up this section, and these two cases removed.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:08, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment 4

I would like to focus my critique on the education and transportation sections. I appreciate the use of statistics and solid information through the sections, but be careful not to frame it in a manner that appears too opinionated. Phrases like "...tend to be on the lower side" do not necessarily have a factual base. You do paint a clear picture that the school system is in need of improvement, but that seems to be the only kind of information you provide in the education section. The transportation section, reversely, has almost exclusively positive remarks.

Comment 5

I personally liked the added detail and the expansion of this article from the first draft. Being born close to East Cleveland, I was able to see a lot of first hand factual information in this article. Personally since I was born by this area, I know that there is a lot of information in regards to business. Therefore, I feel as if you can expand more on the business section. I feel like you can add more statistics on the various businesses in the city of East Cleveland. You can add information about well-known products produced there, or various services provided there. Finally adding information about future development ideas is another concept that could be added for more information in this article.Reggiedublin5 (talk) 23:28, 10 November 2017 (UTC)Reggiedublin5[reply]

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I think this is a tremendous start to your article but it lacks sources and there is a decent amount of biasses in here. When discussing about the mayor you cold maybe add in why and what he has done for the city of Cleveland in the past is important and has it helped Cleveland since? I like how it discusses the incomes of Cleveland residents but if I were you guys I would expand more on those numbers to why they are maybe important and what that means about Cleveland. How can we make that better? What can we change to raise that and become less poor of a city? When talking about crime I like the statistics provided but add in where that ranks us compared to other cities such as Detroit, Chicago, etc. so we can get a sense of truly how violent is Cleveland, Ohio. Overall, This is a very good article it just needs some minor changes and some pieces added. Good Job! ````JoeConnick

Comment 7

This article is very well organized, and I am glad that you added more about income. I think it would be interesting to compare the median incomes of East Cleveland to the median income in Ohio, to get a sense of the differences between East Cleveland and the rest of Ohio. This could also be helpful in comparing median incomes to other major cities in Ohio or around the United States. I would also say that be careful with how this is framed; this is suppose to read like an encyclopedia, so I would look over how this is written. Overall, great start, and I look forward to reading what comes next. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mlane17 (talk • contribs) 15:54, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The article is organized very nicely and can be read quickly for information pertaining to what you might be looking for! The main things that I saw that could be improved though was some grammatical errors, such as the chart in the section labeled "Business" women is spelled "wormen," and as well, the section labeled "The hill," hill should be capitalized. Also some of the sections, while useful, could be expanded upon a little more and given more substance inside of them. The structure and execution was very well done and the start to this article is fantastic! The finish product will be one that I will definitely look forward to reading! Kblakem1 (talk) 02:46, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

Overall, this article covered a wide range of information. It covered different aspects of East Cleveland very well. However, some of the grammar and organization could be improved. For example, in the household section there were facts about income that would probably fit better in the income section. Additionally, some of the sentences were a little too long and there were a few instances of incorrect grammar. Finally, I was not sure why two examples of recent crimes were included? Overall good coverage of the topic. Katiejust16 (talk) 00:47, 17 November 2017 (UTC)katiejust16[reply]

Walkability

The Walkability section makes me uncomfortable. Devoting an entire section to a statistic generated by a private company feels like an ad to me. Furthermore, I don't think the section does anything effectively besides advertise the company. The numeric value doesn't translate into a meaningful heuristic about how easy it is to travel by foot. It's just a value between 0 and 100. Can we just delete the section?

Primary Image

The primary image in the fact box for the city should not be the Rockefeller built homes in Forest Hills, which is misleading. It should be either East Cleveland’s city hall, or a most accurate image of the city as it is along its main roadway, Euclid Avenue. The Rockefeller developed street in Forest Hills is an exception within the city itself. It makes it the primary image misleading. A more accurate current image of the main street, or the city hall lends documents the reality of the city as it is, rather than how someone hopes to see it. This is not something that is punitive to residents or city leaders, but would be the most accurate way to illustrate the relaity of the city as it is, and to readers approaching the article as being totally unfamiliar to the city. Cleveexpat (talk) 15:20, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]