Talk:East African Federation

Merge? East African Community

if this is the same organization the articles should be merged: East African Community —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.241.137.237 (talk) 05:34, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Seems like a good idea. This article does not add anything that is not already said in the article of East African Community. --Kildor (talk) 07:42, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

What will the demonym be for the EAF? --LBCCCP (talk) 23:55, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

I think East African is a good guess. TheArchaeologist Say Herro 22:23, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

I feel East African is more appropriate as a demonym, this coming from me as a Kenyan. George Kiritu Chege (talk) 19:26, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

No, this article is about a potential new country. I am very excited, I believe that merging small countries into bigger ones is the only way that could lead us to a "One World One Country" society, a society with no wars and discrimination. Big thumbs up to our East African brothers and sisters! 2001:8003:9003:1801:99C5:B2CD:5748:9DC5 (talk) 06:03, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

LoL. All countries practice discrimination. Such populous countries as Brazil, Russia and India are among leaders in this respect, although in India discrimination is determined by the traditional social structure and generally goes against the government policy. Or the IPv6 hopes that there is no discrimination in the PRC, perhaps? Incnis Mrsi (talk) 06:58, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

At least we can hope for a world without wars and discrimination. I think this proposal to merge not 2, but 6 countries is a good start. I am sad to see so many small countries breaks away from bigger ones and makes the world less united. 2001:8003:9003:1801:99C5:B2CD:5748:9DC5 (talk) 07:24, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Demonym

Per the Kenyan government, EAC national is the actual demonym/nationality for this federation: "most of the staff is to be of Kenyan/ EAC nationality or have resident status" [1]. Middayexpress (talk) 13:53, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Do you know what the word demonym means? "EAC national" isn't a demonym. One could say that they are a "US national" or a "US citizen" or a "US resident", but that doesn't make any of these a demonym. If you want to claim that "EAC national" is the demonym, you need a source which supports this, not just happens to use the phrase. TDL (talk) 17:45, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

People in East Africa will more likely refer to themselves as East African George Kiritu Chege (talk) 19:25, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

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South Sudan

South Sudan is highlighted on the map in the infobox as being a member of the East African Federation, and it is mentioned in EAF's entry in the List of proposed state mergers article, but it is not mentioned anywhere else in this article. Nowhere does this article mention it as a supporting nation. WHy the discrepancy? --1990'sguy (talk) 23:50, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Features section

Currently the opening paragraph of the Features section of the article claims that the proposed country would be both the 2nd and the 4th largest country in Africa and both the 10th and 17th largest in the world. Some citations and cleanup are needed. giso6150 (talk) 18:46, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

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Meaning of “East Africa”

Again, can Ajax Coleman demonstrate that mass-media, political analysts, or just people use “East Africa” (or Afrika Mashariki) to refer to a not-yet-existing country? Incnis Mrsi (talk) 08:02, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Currency code

I've added a "citation needed" for the currency code being EAS. If it was EAS, then the country code for the EAF would be EA. But EA is currently Ceuta and Melilla, and we don't know whether it'll be reassigned for the EAF. Or have I missed something? Marnanel (talk) 16:47, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

All the official EAC press releases don't refer to an "East African Shilling", they refer to a yet-to-be-named currency. I think the East African Shilling reboot is completely made up and I feel we should nix all references to it. It makes sense that they would avoid naming their new currency in a way that's such a direct continuation from the colonial period of East Africa—I would guess that the new currency would be a Kiswahili word in line with the movement's pan-Africanist sentiment (but yes, it's primarily economic). In my edits, I've been referring to the currency as the EAS just because that was the status quo of the article and I thought it would have a clear citation somewhere but I suppose not. This is how misinformation starts. CatsThisTime (talk) 23:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Update: only source I've found for EAS is a wikipedia editor from 2005 in the East African shilling article. CatsThisTime (talk) 16:56, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Democratic Republic of the Congo

Link: https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/tea/news/east-africa/eac-council-approves-drc-admission-3712222

There is talk of the Democratic Republic of the Congo joining the East African Federation in the future. I wonder how serious is this proposal? Congo DR is a huge country, if it also joins the EAF, then Africa woud finally have its own dominant power which has direct access to both the Indian Ocean and the Atlantic Ocean. 110.145.30.41 (talk) 09:57, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Problem: The DRC touches the Atlantic Ocean, so it probably won’t join the federation, but I think that South Sudan would be a likely candidate. With those set in mind, I think the DRC should leave the East African Community. 2601:C6:D281:6710:816A:D36D:8E14:DF87 (talk) 13:51, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

the DRC should leave the EAC.

It's looking like they will. CatsThisTime (talk) 16:07, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Contemporary African Politics

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Agriculture

This can be added with economy Enibia (talk) 08:06, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Shorten the History section

If people wish to read an in-depth history of the EAC, I think this article can refer them to the EAC page. Otherwise, we should focus on the future/prospective in this article—otherwise, it and the EAC article will be incredibly similar to where there is no need for two articles. I'd just mention the dates of various member accessing and the history of the drafting of the confederation's constitution. CatsThisTime (talk) 23:09, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Somoliland

Is there any information on Somolilands view on the EAF. They are a breakaway state from Somolia who have been significantly more stable than Somolia since the 1990s, are they planing to join the EAF? If not would the EAF gain recognized claim over the region or would Somalians finally be recognized. The same also goes for the less stable breakaway state of Puntland. 47.229.144.239 (talk) 03:26, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Puntland isn't necessarily a breakaway state so to speak, they're temporarily acting independently until the constitutional reforms get democratically voted on via referendum. Also, I believe it's spelled "Somaliland" but perhaps that's just the Anglicized version of it, who am I to say. As I added to the East African Community article, they said Somalia joining the EAC was an implicit attack on their sovereignty and called on the EAC, UN, and AU to recognize their statehood. Considering that they've been fighting for decades for independence, I don't see any world in which they voluntarily join the EAF within the next century. For Somaliland to be recognized, Somalia would have to recognize it and then international recognition would soon follow. It's what separates South Sudan's undisputed sovereignty from something like Taiwan, Kurdistan or Transnistria. If the EAF would recognize them, I don't know—the EAF is not a guaranteed thing after all and if it were to happen, it wouldn't be until at least 2040 given the monetary union timeline (they're aiming for 2031 but it'll likely be delayed by a few years, if not more). Perhaps Ethiopia's support of Somaliland (for their ports mind you, not any sort of ideological reasoning of course) would influence the EAC core enough (which are heavily economically codependent with Ethiopia) to where they would push the future EAF to recognize Somaliland's statehood, I don't know. CatsThisTime (talk) 05:50, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I have heard that more states anre working on relations with Somoliland, I’m not sure it it’s true tho. Also I think the Kurdistan problem has mostly been sorted out. 199.193.226.186 (talk) 16:32, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

East Africa Federation Countries.

East African FEDERATION was proposed for Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Rwanda and Burundi only!. This will never happen when Somalia and Drc, They are politically unstable, So it aint true Ajohn77 (talk) 13:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

This article is not for us editors to add our personal opinions on the viability of all eight EAC member states being in a federation—I think it's quite unlikely. It doesn't matter though because the official proposition is all eight member states. Until we have a good reference saying that the EAF is just going to be the five primary member states, the article changes that you have done need to be reverted. It's worth noting that there is currently no legal infrastructure separating "primary" and "secondary" member states so any actions in the process of confederation/federation would apply to all eight. The confederation itself has been reported by Salva Kiir himself as a goal for South Sudan and they've held constitutional conferences in the country. CatsThisTime (talk) 16:40, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@Chipmunkdavis I don't have rollback privileges, could you do it? Thank you. CatsThisTime (talk) 16:45, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Someone else has reverted, but anyone can revert an edit, it isn't related to rollback. CMD (talk) 01:11, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

EAF VS EAC

EAF was proposed for primarily Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania while the others were Rwanda and burundi that is if!..But for South sudan, Drc , And Somalia those are just members of EAC not EAF, The economic difference between the 3 Main (.ke,.tz .ug) and the Others is huge contrasting their gdp per Capita, Also Somalia,s.sudan and Drc are mired in either Terrorism, Political instability, Civil wars etc, Hence merging them will never happen, So in short they Should be Removed from the map of EAF Ajohn77 (talk) 15:16, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Proposed merge of East African Confederation into East African Federation

Poorly sourced, but perhaps people interested in the East African Federation would be interested in the Confederation as well. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 00:06, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Doesn't read as if it's a distinct topic from this one. I wouldn't merge though, as it's unsourced. CMD (talk) 01:21, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

@Chipmunkdavis It's sourced, in the technical sense. The problem is the sources are low-quality. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 03:00, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

The three sources don't support the written text. For example, "The Summit set up a Committee to Fast-Track the EAC Political Federation, dubbed the Wako Committee" is almost directly copied but with a crucial unsourced change into "The Summit set up a Committee to Fast-Track the EAC Political Confederation, dubbed the Wako Committee", with difference highlighted. CMD (talk) 04:23, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

@Chipmunkdavis Hmm. If no one objects or improves the article, I can just redirect instead of merge. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 05:31, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Redirect is preferable. CatsThisTime (talk) 17:20, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Merge as a subsection; that article needs many refs present here.

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@CatsThisTime, @Chipmunkdavis, and @Yovt: I went ahead and merged the two articles per minimal participation and Yovts suggestion above. I wouldn't object if anyone decided to remove the subsection, though. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 17:29, 15 October 2024 (UTC)