Talk:EHF Champions League
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Can someone look at this page and try de-orphan it? Gbawden (talk) 11:33, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Requested move 9 August 2019
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Not moved — Amakuru (talk) 14:42, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
- EHF Champions League → Men's EHF Champions League
- 2019–20 EHF Champions League → 2019–20 Men's EHF Champions League
– To mirror Women's EHF Champions League. It's the same competition – the men's competition is not superior to the women's competition. The title of "Champions League" wasn't originated with the men – it was introduced for both the women's and the men's side in 1993. In a competition that's so equalised (in most things but the prize money), I think we've moved past the time where the women's competition is seen as secondary to the men's competition and the "EHF Champions League" is synonymous with the men's competition. Cotillards (talk) 02:16, 9 August 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. KSFT (t|c) 05:07, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose moves. Unlike with a certain similar request, there are clear sources omitting "Men's" from the name. O.N.R. (talk) 00:06, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
- And official sources [1] (→ Clubs in EHF competitions) that make the distinction. Cotillards (talk) 02:30, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose moves also. We must follow EHF. Here are the official sources VELUX EHF Champions League and DELO Women's EHF Champions League. We must follow EHF. Simple as that. Dellux mkd (talk) 21:35, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
- But the current article is not called VELUX EHF Champions League, so it's clearly not as simple as that since we're not following the EHF as it is. And per the federation's site (that I linked to above), when they refer to the leagues without including the sponsorships, they very clearly make the distinction between men and women, the Men's Champions League and the Women's Champions League – not Champions League and Women's Champions League. Cotillards (talk) 04:42, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose moves also. We must follow EHF. Here are the official sources VELUX EHF Champions League and DELO Women's EHF Champions League. We must follow EHF. Simple as that. Dellux mkd (talk) 21:35, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
- And official sources [1] (→ Clubs in EHF competitions) that make the distinction. Cotillards (talk) 02:30, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Oppose—@Cotillards: has a good point and I thought I'd dig into a bit more. Velux on the Men's side and Delos on the Women's side are the sponsors of the championships. Looking in Archive.org, I can see that the name has been "VELUX EHF Champions League" since the first save in September 2017. However, while the current name of the Women's League is "DELOS Women's EHF Champions League", back in Sep 2017 there was no prefix sponsor name (according to dropdown navigation) and the name was simply "Women's EHF Champions League". Therefore, I would argue that the sponsor can change over time and, therefore, the branded name can change, but the underlying event name remains the base without the sponsor's brand, namely "EHF Champions League" and "Women's EHF Champions League". The branded names should/could be used inside the article, but as the articles span the entire history, using a branded title could be done, but I'd not recommend it. It could be argued that the name should reflect the current name, "VELUX EHF" and "DELOS Women's EHF", but I don't think the choice between the two is mandated by Wikipedia policy. So, I'll come down on the side of the generic names. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:25, 7 September 2019 (UTC)- Oppose both—Good grief .. wait wait wait. The second article in question does not reflect more than a single season. I agree that the name should reflect what EHF notes. Therfore, the first change, to appending "men's" to the base name of the event should not be done; keep it titled as is. For the second suggestion, again, "men's" should not be added, but the correct name should be "VELUX EHF Champions League". So - Oppose first proposed move=leave it unchanged & Oppose second proposed move=change to "2019–20 VELUX EHF Champions League". Sorry for the confusion - sheesh. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:36, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Per EHF website. Velux is not used as we try to not use sponsorship names. Kante4 (talk) 11:51, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
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IHF European Champions Cup vs EHF Champions League
[edit]A clear distinction line between the two competitions have to be drawn here. The only thing they have in common is that it was/is a top-tier competition in the continent. However as this is a page devoted to the EHF Champions League the foundation date has to be changed to 1993 following the foundation of the European Handball Federation which took over the governance of the club competitions in Europe from the International Handball Federation before 1993/94. For the same reason the number of titles for FC Barcelona cannot be ten, but only nine - perhaps a little asterisk might do explaining they also won the IHF Champions Cup before the EHF Champions League was established. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.16.244.138 (talk) 13:12, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
Medals
[edit]Mens (1956-2022)
[edit]| Rank | Nation | Gold | Silver | Bronze | Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 |  Germany (GER) | 20 | 12 | 23 | 55 |
| 2 |  Spain (ESP) | 17 | 13 | 17 | 47 |
| 3 |  Russia (RUS) | 5 | 3 | 4 | 12 |
| 4 |  Yugoslavia (YUG) | 4 | 7 | 6 | 17 |
| 5 |  Romania (ROU) | 3 | 3 | 7 | 13 |
| 6 |  Czech Republic (CZE) | 3 | 2 | 6 | 11 |
| 7 |  Croatia (CRO) | 2 | 4 | 1 | 7 |
| 8 |  France (FRA) | 2 | 2 | 10 | 14 |
| 9 |  North Macedonia (MKD) | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
| 10 |  Hungary (HUN) | 1 | 5 | 6 | 12 |
| 11 |  Poland (POL) | 1 | 4 | 2 | 7 |
| 12 |  Sweden (SWE) | 1 | 1 | 3 | 5 |
| 13 |  Slovenia (SLO) | 1 | 0 | 7 | 8 |
| 14 |  Denmark (DEN) | 0 | 3 | 11 | 14 |
| 15 |  Switzerland (SUI) | 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 |
| 16 |  Iceland (ISL) | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 |
 Portugal (POR) | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 | |
| 18 |  Norway (NOR) | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 |
| 19 |  Austria (AUT) | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
 Turkey (TUR) | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | |
| Totals (20 entries) | 62 | 62 | 111 | 235 | |
Note:
- Semi-final appearance was considered share bronze.
- 1956-1957 to 2008-2009: Have not Third place Match.
- 2009-2010 to Ongoing: Have Third place Match.
Womens (1961-2022)
[edit]| Rank | Nation | Gold | Silver | Bronze | Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Russia (RUS) | 17 | 5 | 6 | 28 |
| 2 | Austria (AUT) | 8 | 5 | 8 | 21 |
| 3 | Hungary (HUN) | 7 | 11 | 20 | 38 |
| 4 | Denmark (DEN) | 7 | 5 | 5 | 17 |
| 5 | Germany (GER) | 4 | 7 | 15 | 26 |
| 6 | Yugoslavia (YUG) | 3 | 6 | 11 | 20 |
| 7 | Romania (ROU) | 3 | 3 | 16 | 22 |
| 8 | Norway (NOR) | 3 | 2 | 7 | 12 |
| 9 | Slovenia (SLO) | 2 | 3 | 1 | 6 |
| 10 |  Montenegro (MNE) | 2 | 1 | 1 | 4 |
| 11 | North Macedonia (MKD) | 1 | 4 | 3 | 8 |
| 12 | Spain (ESP) | 1 | 3 | 5 | 9 |
| 13 | Czech Republic (CZE) | 1 | 2 | 3 | 6 |
| 14 | Croatia (CRO) | 1 | 1 | 1 | 3 |
| 15 |  Netherlands (NED) | 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 |
| 16 | France (FRA) | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 |
| 17 |  Bulgaria (BUL) | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 |
| Poland (POL) | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 | |
| Sweden (SWE) | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 | |
| 20 | Switzerland (SUI) | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| Totals (20 entries) | 60 | 60 | 112 | 232 | |
Note:
- Semi-final appearance was considered share bronze.
- 1961 to 2012-2013: Have not Third place Match.
- 2013-2014 to Ongoing: Have Third place Match.