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Portrayals of Heydrich behind the Iron Curtain

The sentence claiming that there was "general effort by communist governments to suppress films depicting the Nazi regime, except for propaganda purposes involving the glorification of communism" simply is not true. And besides, the book relating to the years 1944-1956 can hardly be the source for claims relating to the 1970s & 80s. There are hundreds (if not thousands) of WWII war movies made in Eastern Block in 1970's and 1980's era and in most of them appear the real representants (such as Hitler, Himmler, Göring, K.H. Frank, etc.) or fictional representants (German generals, anonymous gestapo officers) of the Nazi regime. Such view is rather the result of the cited author's (A. Applebaum) ignorance of the vaste amount of non-english war films created in Eastern Europe (not ony in 1940's — 1950's but in 1970's — 1980's as well. --Honzula (talk) 20:29, 4 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The changes look great and it's incredibly interesting information. Anthropoid was advertised at the time as having a CGI Heydrich - fascinating to learn it was an actual actor, who apparently could be Heydrich's twin. Great additions! -O.R.^Comms 12:52, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion, Bothe is now too old to play Heydrich (but let's be honest: Diffring was even older in Operation Daybreak). But paradoxically now he fits better to this role now, in Lidice his face was somewhat bloated. It is would be also interesting to compare, how actually Heydrich's character was portrayed. For example, Siegfried Loyda's Heydrich never smiles, while Kenneth Branagh's face is kinda smiling for most of the film (I think, Tucci would be better for Heydrich). Also the TV documentary Nazi Hunters has actors playing Heydrich, Kubiš, Gabčík etc. but none is mentioned in credits. May be it is taken from another film or documentary. Any idea? --Honzula (talk) 11:07, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Screenshots of Reinhard Heydrich

I would like to make a gallery of actors representing Reinhard Heydrich across time. Some cropped screenshots from films and TV documentaries (1940's - 2010's), just like the one from the series "The Man in the High Castle". Is anybody familiar with the legal issues? What conditions this images must fulfill to avoid their deletion? --Honzula (talk) 09:01, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Most film and TV screenshots fall under copyright fair use terms of this website. Fair use requires a justification be made for each and every photo placed in an article and expressly prohibits multiple fair use images in a single location, preferring instead for each article to generally have only one, or at the most two, fair use images. -O.R.^Comms 14:42, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the answer. So instead of the creation of the gallery of images, I should replace the existing one to show some really dramatic portrayal of R.H. --Honzula (talk) 21:17, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

With consensus. The current image was agreed upon previously and cleared through the copyright and fair use screeners. If you want to replace it, you should present your reason for why it is not an appropriate image for the article and get consensus for a new image. I see nothing wrong with the current image and think it serves the purpose of Heydrich in fiction rather well. -O.R.^Comms 00:00, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I will prepare some images, upload them to commons and then invoke some ballot. The current image isn't bad essentially; it just didn't fill to my expectation of "dramatic portrayal" of whatever, the less of infamous gestapo executioner. Such a variety of great actors in the variety of situations! It could be better than the statue of a "standing man, displaying his medals"--Honzula (talk) 04:12, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please help to choose best Dramatic portrayal of Reinhard Heydrich

As promised, I prepared some images for better (more Heydrich-like and more dramatic) illustration of Reinhard Heydrich in TV/film fiction. The current image does not look dramatic enough to portray the infamous gestapo leader and the actor bears little resemblance to Heydrich. Let's choose the best one from the following, so the rest could be deleted to achieve the fair use terms - There can be only one! :-) I believe we can reach the consensus until the end of August 2017:

1) The current image (a screenshot from The Man in the High Castle)
2) Reinhard Heydrich harassing female student (John Carradine in Hitler's Madman);
3) Reinhard Heydrich crowning himself (Siegfried Loyda in Atentát).
4) Reinhard Heydrich talking with K.H. Frank (Anton Diffring in Operation Daybreak)
5) Reinhard Heydrich in his office (Hannjo Hasse in Sokolovo)
6) Wounded Heydrich ver.1 (Hannjo Hasse in Sokolovo)
7) Wounded Heydrich ver.2 (Anton Diffring in Operation Daybreak)
8) Heydrich in his SS-3 Mercedes (Detlef Bothe in Lidice)

Please don't tag these images on their pages as appearing in the article if they are only being discussed on the talk page. There are some pretty strict rules about when the fair use tag can and should be used. -O.R.^Comms 04:42, 23 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please vote! My favorite is No. 3, Heydrich challenging the legend and crowning himself. --Honzula (talk) 17:12, 22 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Number 1: I don't see anything wrong with the current image or a need to replace it. Also, most of the images listed as possible replacements are side shots, not showing the actor's full face. The current image is a frontal shot, shows an older Heydrich from an alternate history piece, as well as full medals. Three good reasons to keep it, and its already been vetted as a fair use image. -O.R.^Comms 04:42, 23 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, every one of this four side shots could be replaced by en face version as the actors were not static in these scenes (I just think the profile shots made the resemblance of actors with Heydrich more pronounced). And it is also possible to add shots with "full of medals" visible, if this is the definition of good depiction of Heydrich. --Honzula (talk) 05:30, 23 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to just integrate those photos into the articles for the films in which they appear. Right now, they are considered "orphaned images" since they are only referenced on a talk page. Automated deletions on Wikipedia tend to remove these images after a short time. -O.R.^Comms 13:51, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that all but two of these film-articles in English Wiki already have one fair use image (poster or dvd cover). And the pictures cannot be used in another wiki. --Honzula (talk) 23:27, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Number 1 is okay for a representation and shows a full face shot, along with uniform detail. My second choice would be Number 8, but it is not a full face shot. But, you do, Honzula, have to make sure the photos are usable under "fair use"; and if they are not used here, they could be used on the various film or TV article pages. Kierzek (talk) 17:22, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: At Talk:Operation Anthropoid, Honzula, I discussed your insertion of one of the images at Operation Anthropoid. But then I found out about this discussion. Can these files be discussed here or at WP:FFD? BTW, about the "August 2017" date thing, there is no deadline to those images... unless orphaned, right? --George Ho (talk) 02:09, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

They are orphaned, and are only linked on a talk page. It's a little unsettling that the user is attempting to now save them by putting them in unrelated articles, that is an old trick and is quickly found out, as it was in the case mentioned aboe. But, then again, fair use is difficult to understand and by the user's own admission, they are unfamiliar with the process. Personally, I think we should let this go, let the images be deleted, and keep things the way that they are. It was hard enough getting one fair use image in an article; trying to insert several or replace it with one of questionable copyright status seems to be just asking for trouble. -O.R.^Comms 13:29, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

OberRanks, I'll tell you that you can use Twinkle to add {{subst:prod}} on files, or you can add it manually. It was done per RfC at WT:PROD several months ago. --George Ho (talk) 17:12, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edit

Preserving here by providing this link; my rationale was: "removing OR and trivia, uncited / unreliably cited". I also removed the documentaries, as these are not "dramatic portrayals". The image removed violated FUR guidelines. --K.e.coffman (talk) 02:39, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Manager des Terrors" was actually documentary too. And in about half of the deleted documentaries the character of Heydrich was played by actors, who sometimes have prety long on-screen appearance (such in Hitler’s Circle of Evil). Among your "unreliable sources" are movie reviews etc. But apparently there is no point in persuading somebody who is convinced that the only way of improving the articles is through deletion. Personal question: Did you ever created something on Wikipedia? (text moved from other articles doesn't count). --Honzula (talk) 07:43, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Heydrich in Dies Irae?

Worth adding, or not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.181.70.150 (talk) 18:55, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]