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Opera?
[edit]Can a source be found which describes this work as an opera? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:40, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
- I found two describing it as an opera: [1], [2]. This BBC report is less clear in its designation, but does indicate that work is being produced by the English National Opera. 4meter4 (talk) 10:41, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- Reading that BBC article made me ask the question here. Thanks for the other two sources, but I'm not sure we can justify this work's formal categorisation and bannering as an opera based on those two publications; the Manchester International Festival doesn't. Maybe we have to wait until more details become available. At the moment, the whole article is a bit of WP:CRYSTAL. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:24, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- I agree. Perhaps describing it as a "staged production with music" or something like that for now would be best. Let's wait for the music critics/reviewers to sort out the right genre when it premieres this summer. I don't think we should delete the article though, as it seems likely that this project will premiere this July and will be widely reviewed by major UK publications.4meter4 (talk) 11:35, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- I was not considering any deletion process for this article – just an observation; I've put a few future events into articles myself. But I would like to remove the category Opera until the genre question gets settled. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:19, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- Sounds like a reasonable approach to me.4meter4 (talk) 18:19, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- What sort of source would we need to establish that it's an opera? One reason to doubt it is that the BBC seems to have edited this article [3] to remove the word "opera" (compare the Google cache if you're quick enough) and the website of the Palace Theatre calls it an "opera musical". On the other hand there are what we would normally think of as high quality sources calling it an opera. The Telegraph, for example, carries a piece about it by its opera critic [4]. There's a problem, I think, in waiting for the "official word", because description on the MIF website is unlikely to change. --FormerIP (talk) 22:07, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- Until now, I couldn't find any; that's where the suggestion to wait came from. Now, if Rupert Christiansen calls it an opera, that's good enough for me.
- The Category:2011 works should be replaced with Category:2011 operas and the Category:English-language operas and the template {{English-opera-stub}} should be added; Category:Culture in Manchester should be removed. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:50, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
- I fixed the cats.4meter4 (talk) 13:55, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
- What sort of source would we need to establish that it's an opera? One reason to doubt it is that the BBC seems to have edited this article [3] to remove the word "opera" (compare the Google cache if you're quick enough) and the website of the Palace Theatre calls it an "opera musical". On the other hand there are what we would normally think of as high quality sources calling it an opera. The Telegraph, for example, carries a piece about it by its opera critic [4]. There's a problem, I think, in waiting for the "official word", because description on the MIF website is unlikely to change. --FormerIP (talk) 22:07, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- Sounds like a reasonable approach to me.4meter4 (talk) 18:19, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- I was not considering any deletion process for this article – just an observation; I've put a few future events into articles myself. But I would like to remove the category Opera until the genre question gets settled. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:19, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- I agree. Perhaps describing it as a "staged production with music" or something like that for now would be best. Let's wait for the music critics/reviewers to sort out the right genre when it premieres this summer. I don't think we should delete the article though, as it seems likely that this project will premiere this July and will be widely reviewed by major UK publications.4meter4 (talk) 11:35, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- Reading that BBC article made me ask the question here. Thanks for the other two sources, but I'm not sure we can justify this work's formal categorisation and bannering as an opera based on those two publications; the Manchester International Festival doesn't. Maybe we have to wait until more details become available. At the moment, the whole article is a bit of WP:CRYSTAL. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:24, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
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