Talk:Doug Mastriano/Archives/2022/August

Eagle Scout moniker added to lead

I would like to add the FACT that he obtained the rank of Eagle Scout to the lead as it’s a defining characteristic. . Richinstead (talk) 15:32, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello? Richinstead (talk) 21:55, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

I don't consider it a defining characteristic or a major part of his notability. It's already discussed in the "Early life" section, which seems fine. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:39, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

I got mine too; I wonder how many convicted felons got theirs? Its a significant bit of growing up but its not lead material. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 10:05, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

For those who actually earned the rank, many consider it “lead worthy.”

Doug but it in his senate bio:

“Doug Mastriano is a combat veteran and the son of a career US Navy man. He retired from the U.S. Army in November 2018 after 30 years of active duty as a Colonel. Doug is an Eagle Scout and worked as a paperboy, janitor, security guard, short-order cook, pizza delivery person and dishwasher.”

We need to put it in the lead as well. Thanks!

Source: https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/home/member_information/senate_bio.cfm?id=1869&mobile_choice=suppress Richinstead (talk) 04:03, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Political bias

Why, when wikipedia itself warns against political bias, and reserves the right to lock an article to avoid this very thing, has the far left political bias been locked into this article to prevent editing? This is one of the most biased political articles I've ever seen on wikipedia and the fact that this bias has been locked and forbidden from edit is a disgrace, and a terrible shame in light of what Wikipedia was originally supposed to be. JackGunn (talk) 23:52, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

See WP:RANT NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 02:42, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

I agree with you. Who is running this account anyway? I thought we all play a role in making this page better and unbiased. I guess not. Richinstead (talk) 03:56, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

What’s his specific denomination?

We need to find out and put it in personal life. Solidarityandfreedom (talk) 23:39, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

The Personal Life section already says that he worships at a Mennonite church. There is nothing more to be said unless Reliable Sources make a point of adding some further description to his religious preference. -- MelanieN (talk) 03:36, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

For someone who is not a religious leader, it is usually better not to discuss a person's religion, or at least not to focus on it extensively. There should definitely not be a presumption that figuring out and reporting on religious beliefs (or lack thereof) should be done for every WP:BLP (or for every politician's BLP). See, e.g., WP:BLPCAT: "Categories regarding religious beliefs (or lack of such) ... should not be used unless the subject has publicly self-identified with the belief (or lack of such) ..., and the subject's beliefs ... are relevant to their public life or notability, according to reliable published sources." —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 03:49, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

The specific denomination is the CMC (formerly known as Conservative Mennonite Conference). I am a Mennonite and grew up in this conference. In their 2019 pastors' conference brochure, Doug Mastriano's wife is a featured speaker, and the bio says, "She is the wife of Douglas, homeschool mom of Josiah, and a member of Pond Bank Community Church." The church was formerly known as Pond Bank Mennonite Church, and is part of the CMC.

It's not incorrect to say he's a Mennonite as a general term, but CMC is very different from Mennonite Church USA, the mainstream denomination. — Zimmerdale (talk) 03:25, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

The New Yorker called him a Christian Nationalist, it’s not a real Denomination but it sounds really scary. Let’s role with that. I have a source!! https://www.newyorker.com/news/on-religion/a-pennsylvania-lawmaker-and-the-resurgence-of-christian-nationalism/amp Richinstead (talk) 15:39, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Mastriano, who worships at a Mennonite church, has said he does not identify as a Christian nationalist, telling the New Yorker last year, “Is this a term you fabricated? What does it mean and where have I indicated that I am a Christian Nationalist?” https://www.inquirer.com/politics/doug-mastriano-governor-christian-nationalism-qanon-20220504.html?outputType=amp Richinstead (talk) 03:00, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Removal of cited content

@Helwr: kindly read the above discussions. The consensus, backed by Wikipedia policy, is that multiple reliable sources demonstrate that Mastriano is on the far-right, thereby that is what we have in the lead. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 19:26, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

those are unreliable highly biased left wing sources. The edit stands corrected. Wikipedia is not a DNC platform, lefty JameyRivendell (talk) 22:41, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Non-constructive comment from blocked sock struck. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 12:24, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Those are biased comments. Richinstead (talk) 02:54, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

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Governor Mastriano

Just starting this conversation now, so we can get approval from the Wikipedia overlords to change his status if needed. Thanks! :) Richinstead (talk) 02:58, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

See WP:RANT Hyderabad22 (talk) 13:45, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Misleading and Incorrect use of Confederate Uniform controversy

You've cropped out the rest of the photograph, showing other folks in costume, and the section about this is really lacking context. The college allowed faculty to dress up— as it is by Gettysburg and PA has a strong re-enactment culture. And then below the picture whoever put it in goes off on an editorial-like tangent about why it's wrong. Unless it's Wikipedia policy to indict all re-enacters as believing all the policies and perspectives of the faction they fought for, this section needs to be given context or removed entirely. The bias is strong in this article. Mierria (talk) 06:11, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

There is no response from him in any article detailing that was his reason for dressing up that day. Feel free to find a reliable source and cite it. Hyderabad22 (talk) 13:41, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Controversy section suggestion

The layout of this article has grown rather unwieldy and I think we need a way to group instances where Mastriano has had media attention drawn to his actions or political stances that are questionable. We need better subject delineation. Hyderabad22 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 13:39, 29 August 2022 (UTC)