Talk:Domenico da Capodistria
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Request of change of the original title
[edit]Hi Doremo, I've seen you changed the title. It needs to be discussed.--Haldir Marchwarden (talk) 19:14, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Haldir Marchwarden, please provide some evidence that Dominik Koprčan is a historically authentic or more appropriate name. The Google search ratio for Domenico da Capodistria vs. Dominik Koprčan is 107:8, and the Google Books ratio is 79:1. Doremo (talk) 19:32, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- I am indifferent to the use of Italian or Slovenian for the title, but I would've appreciated, as the creator of the article, if you had discussed moving the page before doing so. While creating the article Rakalj, I came across this architect. After typing his name at google search (US) this[1] is somehow the first thing I got to read. Background is unknown (the architect was active in Slavic-speaking majority Eastern Istria, then moved to Italy) so because Slovenians usually don't make... "dubious" claims and this historical figure doesn't seem to be particularly cherished by (or known to) Italians, I gave Slovenia the benefit of the doubt. Again, using the Italian name wasn't my concern here.--Haldir Marchwarden (talk) 20:00, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- Slovenians typically Slovenianize the names of historical figures in their historiography. It's not a claim that those people actually bore those names (any more than the Serbs claim that Majkl Džekson is actually an authentic name for Michael Jackson); it's simply how their historiographic practice (and language) works. The danger is assuming that it is an authentic name and then exporting it out into English. Doremo (talk) 03:50, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- Yes Doremo. But because this is a minor figure not dear to Italians, we only have his name written in Latin, and there is about as much reason to believe that he was Slovenian, I chose to "throw Slovenia a bone," by using the Slovenian spelling of the Latin name. Italian is absolutely the fairest choice and, as you showed me, this is confirmed by the google books ratio. Again, my problem wasn't and isn't the Italian /Slovenian issue. My problem was that you changed the name without discussing the change with me or anyone else beforehand.--Haldir Marchwarden (talk) 11:50, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- Slovenians typically Slovenianize the names of historical figures in their historiography. It's not a claim that those people actually bore those names (any more than the Serbs claim that Majkl Džekson is actually an authentic name for Michael Jackson); it's simply how their historiographic practice (and language) works. The danger is assuming that it is an authentic name and then exporting it out into English. Doremo (talk) 03:50, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- I am indifferent to the use of Italian or Slovenian for the title, but I would've appreciated, as the creator of the article, if you had discussed moving the page before doing so. While creating the article Rakalj, I came across this architect. After typing his name at google search (US) this[1] is somehow the first thing I got to read. Background is unknown (the architect was active in Slavic-speaking majority Eastern Istria, then moved to Italy) so because Slovenians usually don't make... "dubious" claims and this historical figure doesn't seem to be particularly cherished by (or known to) Italians, I gave Slovenia the benefit of the doubt. Again, using the Italian name wasn't my concern here.--Haldir Marchwarden (talk) 20:00, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
References
[edit]- ^ Lisac, Ljubomir Andrej. "Dominik Koprčan". Slovenska biografija. Archived from the original on 2 July 2013. Retrieved 21 March 2021.