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Discussions:

RM, Djibouti (city) → Djibouti City, No consensus, 24 February 2012, discussion
RM, Djibouti (city) → Djibouti City, Moved, 30 September 2016, discussion
RM, Djibouti City → Djibouti (capital), Not moved, 19 November 2017, discussion
RM, Djibouti City → ?, Moved to Djibouti (city), 20 November 2017, discussion
RM, Djibouti (city) → Djibouti City, Moved, 28 October 2022, discussion

Merge

We currently have Djibouti City and Djibouti (city), which between them share information on the city and the region. These need to be combined into either one overall article or rescoped into one for the city itself and one for the surrounding region. The redirect at Djibouti, Djibouti also needs to be considered. Grutness...wha? 07:05, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, these two duplicate articles both have been around since 2004. And no one thought about merging them until a month ago. -- llywrch 03:33, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Population

How come almost 81% of Djibouti's population live in the capital? 194.100.223.164 (talk) 12:03, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move. Favonian (talk) 22:47, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Djibouti (city) → Djibouti City — In December 2006, the two articles Djibouti City and Djibouti (city) were merged by cutting and pasting with "Djibouti (city)" as the article location on the grounds that the editor rarely saw "Djibouti City" being used. Whilst this is probably true, I think we need to bear in mind that this is a country where French is more likely to be used than English and as such "Djibouti Ville" and "Ville de Djibouti" are likely to be common. I have found these terms used in a range of websites such as this presidential decree, this property company website, this tourism page, this news report on waste disposal, this election-related pamphlet, and this UNHCR document. Therefore I think this article would be better located at "Djibouti City". Green Giant (talk) 22:00, 24 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

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Oppose. It seems that the citations given to support the nomination are all French and not English as is needed per WP:UE. The (few) sources for the article use simply "Djibouti". — AjaxSmack 01:28, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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Requested move 30 September 2016

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The result of the move request was: Moved. Consensus is clear. (non-admin closure) Paine ^u/c 23:37, 29 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Djibouti (city) → Djibouti City – This has been proposed before, with not much discussion previously. From what I can tell, it is common for the city to be called either "Djibouti" or "Djibouti City" in English. (We currently use "(city)" to disambiguate the article name from the country, which shares the same name and is at Djibouti.) It is difficult to conduct searches to determine which is more common, since the majority of the hits that result from "Djibouti" alone are going to be for the country. But I get 330,000+ for a Wikipedia-less search of "Djibouti City", with around 3000 in google books, 800 in google news, and 300 in google scholar – so the proposed form is not uncommon. I think using "Djibouti City" would be a more natural form and in line with articles in similar situations, such as Luxembourg City. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:22, 30 September 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. No such user (talk) 09:01, 11 October 2016 (UTC)--Relisting. — AjaxSmack 19:08, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support - The capitalized and non-parenthetical form is indeed more standard and natural. Soupforone (talk) 17:50, 30 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose the proposal but am open to convincing. A Google search of "the capital of Djibouti is" -wikipedia (books) gives a variety renditions with "Djibouti City" not all that common. What about Djibouti city (lowercase c) which is at least as common as the proposal or the official name of City of Djibouti? — AjaxSmack 22:37, 30 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I would prefer the current parenthetical version over Djibouti city. The uncapitalized version is basically the same form of adding a non-proper noun disambiguation word in parentheses, and the usual way on WP of doing that seems to me to be adding a word in parentheses, not just tacking on an extra common noun word without parentheses. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 09:02, 2 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The WP:COMMONNAME seems to be plain "Djibouti". CIA and others agree. (Also, the Luxembourg RM only had two respondents - I don't know strong the consensus for that one is.) Dohn joe (talk) 18:18, 1 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - see Mexico City, Panama City, etc. I'm not sure what else you'd be looking for here. Red Slash 20:34, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:NATURALDAB. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 16:56, 29 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This is common sense WP:NATURAL disambiguation solution. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:53, 29 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Foreign presence in Djibouti

This is an odd oversight: according to the map of the city, there are a couple of French military bases, one American, & one Japanese military base in the city around the International airport, & a related article mentions a Chinese naval base in the area -- yet not one word about any of these. While security concerns do make it difficult to find information about these, & would probably make it difficult to keep this info in the article, still I'd expect at least some mention of these facilities being in Djibouti & maybe the year they were established. It's not as if no one living there is unaware of their existence. -- llywrch (talk) 18:09, 30 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 19 November 2017

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The result of the move request was: not moved per WP:SNOW. It is clear the article is not going to be moved to the proposed title. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:14, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Djibouti City → Djibouti (capital) – Djibouti is the capital of the country of Djibouti. The BBC, CIA, and Britannica all have the capital listed as Djibouti, not Djibouti City. I think it is more reasonable that the title of the article of the city of Djibouti be called Djibouti without the city. 2601:183:101:58D0:F83B:5C3:19D2:CF2 (talk) 12:29, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The usual worldwide naming convention is, if the name of a city matches the name of the region it is located in, the common name for the city is usually "XX City". ToThAc (talk) 17:37, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose move as bad disambiguation. I'd be fine with overturning the last RM and moving it back to Djibouti (city). ONR (talk) 23:25, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per the above. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 09:15, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and snow/speedy close In ictu oculi (talk) 15:27, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. It's not at all clear that the current title is actually problematic — we title things on Wikipedia with their common name, not necessarily their official one, and nominator hasn't provided any evidence that "Djibouti City" isn't a normal and common way of disambiguating the city from the country. But even if this were to get moved, the correct parenthetical disambiguator would be "(city)", not "(capital)". So I'd be willing to consider a substantive nomination to move this to the "(city)" form, but "(capital)" isn't the appropriate choice. Bearcat (talk) 16:56, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 20 November 2017

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The result of the move request was: page moved to Djibouti (city). Mahveotm (talk) 19:10, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Djibouti City → ? – I previously suggested moving the current page title from Djibouti City to Djibouti (capital), but everyone opposed the move. A few of you suggested moving the page to Djibouti (city), so I want to know if anyone is interested in moving the page to Djibouti (city) or possibly Djibouti, Djibouti 2601:183:101:58D0:9159:407:BB05:205B (talk) 22:04, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support Djibouti (city), but oppose Djibouti, Djibouti per my statements in the previous RM. "Djibouti, Djibouti" is redundant enough that parenthetical disambiguaton is the better option. ONR (talk) 05:07, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support Djibouti (city). The current title (with caps C "City") is largely a Wikipedia creation. A Google search of "the capital of Djibouti is" -wikipedia gives a variety renditions with "Djibouti City" not all that common. Oppose Djibouti, Djibouti as an even worse Wikipedia creation. — AjaxSmack 02:18, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Page Name Change to Djibouti City

In many cases on Wikipedia, an entity whose capital city is the same name as the entity itself results in the page for the capital city being labeled as 'Place'+'City'.

Notable examples are Luxembourg City, whose official name is just Luxembourg, but the suffix of 'City' was tacked on to disambiguate, and Quebec City, whose name is officially just Quebec, but the article name has been changed do differentiate.

The same should be done for this article per Wikipedia:TITLECON consistency. BhamBoi (talk) 20:45, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 28 October 2022

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 17:09, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Djibouti (city) → Djibouti City – In most cases on Wikipedia, an entity whose capital city is the same name as the entity itself results in the page for the capital city being labeled as 'Place'+"City". Notable examples are Luxembourg City, whose official name is just Luxembourg, but the suffix of 'City' was tacked on to disambiguate, and Quebec City, whose name is officially just Quebec, but the article name has been changed to differentiate. The same should be done for this article per Wikipedia:TITLECON consistency. There was also a yes consensus for the same move in 2016 at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Djibouti_(city)#Requested_move_30_September_2016 BhamBoi (talk) 19:29, 27 October 2022 (UTC) Moved from contested RM/TR UtherSRG (talk) 16:22, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@BhamBoi and Extraordinary Writ: - pinging originator and contester. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:22, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: There are at least 4 previous RMs, not just the 2 listed at the top of the talk page. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Support per WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION. I am finding English-language sources that refer to it as such: The Washington Post, U.S. Military, International Monetary Fund, Aljazeera, Business Wire, Business Insider, Global Times, The Guardian, BBC, France24, The New Yorker, U.S. Department of Defense, DW, FIFA, The Telegraph. Rreagan007 (talk) 23:43, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support - seems reasonable per Rreagan007, and for consistency with similar cases. eviolite (talk) 00:36, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support - seems reasonable enough, like New York, New York is New York City. Ebbedlila (talk) 23:24, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support--this is also how Mexican city articles are named (Chihuahua City) Red Slash 17:33, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Source for Districts

Is there any reliable source for the districts of Djibouti City? The few sources I find differ. The ones on https://maps.mapaction.org/dataset/4f18eedf-7a8b-437b-b2d3-28971adebc0d (no license :-( specified) are not the same names as on this page and differ as well in shape to the map here. The one I bought from tourist office (not free of course) might not show the official organisational names, but it is different again. Simohe (talk) 21:13, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The German wiki (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dschibuti_(Stadt)#Stadtgliederung) mentions the city consists of 3 "communes" which consist of total 6 "arrondissement". The districts ("quartier") are mentioned as part of the "arrondissement". Unfortunately all the sources are defect weblinks. Simohe (talk) 18:12, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Contradictory sentence?

The article states, "Djibouti has a population of around 600,000 inhabitants, which counts for 54% of the country's population." Which is it? -- Ríco 22:18, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What is the contradiction? Would it be clearer with something like "Djibouti (city) has a population ..." or "The city has a population ..."? Or does the number not match the one mentioned on the country's page? Simohe (talk) 18:19, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]