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A fact from Ditto Pölzl appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 24 June 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the communist trade unionist Ditto Pölzl was a member of all three provisional state governments of Styria in 1945?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/June. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ditto Pölzl.

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 16:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the communist trade unionist Ditto Pölzl was a member in all of the three provisional state governments of Styria of 1945?

Source: Österreich in Geschichte und Literatur, Vol. 40-41. Stiasny Verlag, 1996. p. 157

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Icosian game

Moved to mainspace by Soman (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 381 past nominations.

Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

Soman (talk) 12:14, 1 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: New enough, long enough, Earwig notes no notable copyvio. Hook is interesting but on an offline source (Österreich in Geschichte und Literatur, Vol. 40-41) so I am assuming good faith. QPQ is completed. Everything seems to check out! Ornithoptera (talk) 05:37, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Soman and Ornithoptera: This article needs a robust copy edit before it gets anywhere near the main page.--Laun chba ller 23:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, Launchballer, but you'd have to be more specific. If you have a problem with another editors tick, you should explain why. You've left drive-by comments on {toomanysections} on a number of DYK nominations in the recent past, is that the issue? --Soman (talk) 11:29, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think merging some of the sections would help. I need to go out, but I'll take another look when I get back.--Laun chba ller 11:37, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Much of what was winding me up was the fact that many sentences were very short and jumped back and forth, I've merged some of the worst offenders. My "Early life" section header was based purely on the fact that two single-paragraph sections look odd next to two much larger sections, though I suppose this isn't a DYK issue.--Laun chba ller 09:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd also question the WP:DYKINTerestingness of an Austrian politician being an Austrian politician.--Laun chba ller 10:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure this is the correct forum, but I disagree on applying {toomanysections} rigidly. There is no problem in itself to have sections with 3-4 sentences if and when the material in that section is sufficiently distinct from another section. Sections are supposed to help with readability, and lumping prose together to create larger sections is no goal in itself. In terms of your copy-editing, you are diverging from the source material, such as,

By mixing the age of joining SPO and being a leader of the left faction, makes it seem like he was a factional leader from the onset
We have no source for Polzl "joining" the municipal council (presumably he was elected, but we don't have a reference for the exact conditions of entry).
changing "upon" to "after" regarding his arrest gaves space to interpretation of the timeframe between return and arrest.
"he and many of its other members" is backed up by what source?

I'm not saying that there shouldn't be improvements in flow of prose, but copy-editing should not tamper with the referencing. In terms of DYKINTERESTING, I think the key element here is '1945'. This was not an ordinary period in the history of the country, and Polzl is the only Communist Party cadre that had been in the government prior to arrival of Soviet troops as well as remaining in the position after the British takeover. --Soman (talk) 17:22, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All I did was reword the text as it appeared, I didn't check it against the references (I don't speak German). Re: "many of its other members", I've cut "many of its", but the article said "Within the Central Committee he was one of those that [...] argued that the party should resign from the Austrian government." - does this not mean that other members argued for it as well?--Laun chba ller 20:07, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I started to edit the wording and came across some phrasing where the meaning is not very clear like "In 1932, he took part in building the Jungfront movement, and in Graz he worked with Otto Fischer and Willy Scholz to challenge the party leadership control over the Jungfront.". Also, Soman you may want to double check that I've not inadvertently changed any meaning. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 01:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer: I reviewed the article with the intention of performing a copyedit, but did not find any major concerns that needed to be fixed. I won't comment on the interestingness of the hook, but have all of your concerns been resolved? If not, what needs to happen to get this nomination approved? Z1720 (talk) 00:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't remember and I can't see anything now. Let's roll.--Laun chba ller 11:32, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is it known how he survived

That he managed to survive both Stalin's terror and purges of the late 1930s and the Nazis is notable in its own right. MyIP19216811 (talk) 14:34, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]