Talk:Devilman Crybaby

Episode list

C'mon, MizukaS and G S Palmer, will you really edit war over something that irrelvant such as a runtime and a tag...? I don't really have an opinion about the runtime inclusion, but the tag use is right. MOS:TVPLOT and MOS:AM#Media should be enough to resolve this issue. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 17:44, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

If runtime is to be included, then the duration of each episode must be specified, like what I did with the current revision. MizukaS (talk) 17:52, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

I see what you're saying, MizukaS, but Template:Infobox animanga specifies (just below the #Live-action film section) that that the |runtime= parameter should contain the "Length of one episode of the work.", making the addition of "(each)" unnecessary. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 18:38, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

I agree with G S Palmer. Convention should be to show each episode's runtime or a range of runtimes as this series is being released like a Netflix TV series, like Orange Is the New Black. The "each" isn't necessary. There isn't a big gap in releases like with old OVA series. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:47, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

No, it's absolutely necessary. That's the protocol for official sites like Sentai. MizukaS (talk) 06:29, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

This is not an issue to be discussed here. If you want to change what the runtime parameter means, go start a discussion on the template talk page or at WT:ANIME. Of course, Template:Infobox television also adheres to the "runtime is the length of one episode", so I don't think you'll get much traction. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 14:09, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Show me an anime OVA/movie page that doesn't list its total runtime or runtime per EP then maybe you have some kind of a point. Let's see.... there's Towa no Quon, Garden of Sinners that all follow what I did. You seem to be the only person that has a problem with it, yet you can't even link me a page that suggests otherwise. By the way, non-anime articles don't count since this is an anime page. MizukaS (talk) 14:43, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Well, @AngusWOOF: seems to share my opinion, so that's two people against you on this very page. And the fact that other articles do something incorrectly doesn't mean this one should. A few examples of articles that use the correct format (since you asked for them) are Koe de Oshigoto! and Alien Nine. Finally, you're once again blatantly ignoring WP:BRD. If an edit you make is contentious (as this one was) and someone reverts you, you wait until discussion has concluded before you change it again. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 16:56, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Also Hetalia: Axis Powers, Kyōsōgiga, and Wish Upon the Pleiades, etc. Not to mention FLCL, which is a Good Article. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 17:03, 29 January 2018 (UTC) Edited. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 01:42, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

This isn't describing a boxset where it should list the total number of minutes. Infobox animanga says runtime = "runtime for one episode of the work". I've changed the film series one to the range of minutes. Hellsing Ultimate is like that too. Also Master of None, Lady Dynamite, Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, Stranger Things AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:36, 29 January 2018 (UTC) updated 21:57, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Devilman Crybaby/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Morgan695 (talk · contribs) 05:44, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I'll be taking this on. Full review to follow, but my immediate note is that the plot summary is excessively detailed and needs be edited down considerably, if you want something to get started on. Morgan695 (talk) 05:44, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

@Gabriel Yuji: Initial review below. There are sections that need work before this nomination can move forward. Please ping me with nay questions you have. Morgan695 (talk) 20:48, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Basic GA criteria

1. Well written: the prose is clear and concise.
2. Well written: the spelling and grammar are correct.
3. Complies with the MOS guidelines for lead sections.
4. Complies with the MOS guidelines for article structure and layout.
5. Complies with the MOS guidelines for words to watch.
6. Complies with the MOS guidelines for writing about fiction
7. Complies with the MOS guidelines for list incorporation
8. Complies with the MOS guidelines for use of quotations
9. All statements are verifiable with inline citations provided.
10. All inline citations are from reliable sources, etc.
11. Contains a list of all references in accordance with the layout style guideline.
12. No original research.
13. No copyright violations or plagiarism.
14. Broad in its coverage but within scope and in summary style.
15. Neutral.
16. Stable.
17. Illustrated, if possible.
18. Images are at least fair use and do not breach copyright.

Lede

• I feel like the second and first paragraphs should be reversed, i.e. lead with the drier information about who directed/produced it, that it is based on an existing media franchise, and then describe the plot
  • Agreed.
• puberty, sexuality, sex, love and LGBT were LGBT what? LGBT identity, LGBT acceptance, etc?
  • Good point. It was written as "Puberty, sexuality, sex, love and LGBT themes were" before a copyedit. But I've added identity for now.
• spawned a meme over the Devilmen's running-style and its remix of the 1970s anime theme song Seems like extraneous detail for lede
  • Reworded.
• Its viewership numbers are unknown since Netflix does not disclose them but many journalists considered it a hit Rephrase with formal/encyclopedic language
  • I don't know hwo this is unencyclopedic since it is a simply statement ("Its viewership numbers are unknown since Netflix does not disclose them") followed by another statement attributed to journalists, not granted as a fact.

Synopsis – Context

• This section needs to be overhauled completely. It assumes the reader possesses a level of knowledge of Devilman as a franchise, and is incomprehensible to the lay reader. It should broadly talk about how Devilman is based on an existing property and Yuasa’s inspirations in the broadest possible strokes. The majority of the info here needs to be integrated into sections further down the article once plot/characters have been established, or removed completely.
  • Ok. Moved down.

• The anime uses rappers as a substitute for the original delinquents.Some episodes feature extended rap sequences performed by professional rappers. The director said he made this change because he believes "rappers are the people who speak what's on their minds today This as the second sentence in the body of the article, with no context provided for who “the original delinquents” are or why they matter. It makes no sense to the lay reader. Integrate elsewhere or remove entirely
  • Ok. Moved down.

• features rapid text messages Needs more context/explanation
  • Well, that's kind of just that. They type their reactions to the demons and that's 21st century-y. Tried to made it learer.

• The series takes place in a universe in which the 1970s Devilman TV series exists, its theme song appears as a child's ringtone, and the bedroom of one of the children is filled with Devilman anime objects. This is essentially just trivia, integrate elsewhere or remove
  • While I'm inclined to agree, I'll mantain it right now and will think about it more later.

Synopsis – Plot

• Needs to be cut down significantly. It is currently 941 words; should be around 500 words per MOS:TVPLOT. Will provide notes once section has been edited.
  • I'll work on it.

Voice Cast

• I assume there’s a reason why certain characters don’t have English language voice actors listed, but it’s not immediately clear. Can you please explain?
  • I just assumed they were not credited. But I'll check it.

Production and release

• Looks good.

Themes and analysis

• See "Reception – Critical reception"

Episode List

• Is there an official anime website that this information can be cited to?
  • Not really. The official website (https://devilman-crybaby.com/) doesn't even provide the titles. It's not difficult to cite the Japanese titles, though, but the same is not true to the English titles and crew (which of course are available on Netflix, but I don't think it is a good idea to use it as a source).

Reception – Audience response

• Devilman Crybaby's announcement created some hype Rephrase to avoid WP:WEASEL
  • Reworded. However, the sources say it "generate[d] a frenzied otaku reaction" (Otaku USA) and created "hype, the anticipation" (Chrunchyroll), so the sources provide "a vague or ambiguous claim"

• Link to first mention of sources specifically named (Syfy, The Japan Times, etc)
  • I prefer to link only once in the article per WP:OVERLINK; both examples are already linked in "Themes and analysis"
• The devilmen running-style should “devilmen” be capitalized?
  • Since I've did in "Plot" I think it's coherent.

Reception – Critical reception

• Both this section and "Themes and analysis" are suffering from serious WP:OVERQUOTE; the article presently does not pass Earwigs copyvio check due to overquoting. Per MOS:TVRECEPTION, reviews should be paraphrased as much as possible, and not just quoted wholesale. I also think the "Themes and analysis" section would benefit greatly from subheadings. Please ping me when these sections are revised and I will review.
  • I'll work on it.

Thanks for the review, Morgan695. I'm a little busy right now, but I'll work on it on the following days. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 06:35, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

@Morgan695: Trimmed down "Plot", and revised both "Themes and analysis" and "Critical reception". Gabriel Yuji (talk) 07:39, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

The lede and plot summary could still be tightened up, but I decided to just be bold and do it myself. This passes GA review. Morgan695 (talk) 18:49, 8 May 2020 (UTC)