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Okay, I started this post with the intent of returning to it. Detroit pizza is a regional anomaly that's you'd be hard pressed to find outside of the Detroit Metro Area. As mentioned before, it's a square deep dish pizza that's a lot like a cross between Sfinciuni with a more traditional pizza build. This style of pizza can be found at any number of local pizza places and at a good third of all the party stores. A good start: http://www.buddyspizza.com/ourhistory.htm KingMob 03:29, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Based on your comments and the link you posted, I removed the {{prod}} tag. Otherwise, it would have been deleted in a couple of days! I think my concerns were addressed enough to keep the article. It needs work, but it's hardly unique in that. --Ginkgo100 ^{talk · e@} 19:50, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Detroit-based chains

"Detroit-style pizza" usually makes me think of the major Detroit-based pizza chains like Domino's pizza and Little Caesars. They also have a distinctive style of pizza, notably very chewy from a firm crust and thick cheese. (Somebody else can probably describe it better than I can.)

I wouldn't say that Little Caesar's, major local chain, or Domino's, a national chain have anything unique to offer regionally, which is what this article was about.Schm01978 (talk) 04:54, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

However, the style of pizza described in the article is also common in the Detroit area. That's the style served by the Cottage Inn in Ypsilanti and Ann Arbor, isn't it? Still, I don't think it's nearly as common as the cheap takeout pizza popularized by the major chains. Bradd 19:49, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

No single "Detroit" style

Comments from a Detroit-born pizza guy: In the 60's the franchising boom started. From that era Little Caesars, Domino's and Dino's Pizza enjoyed 75% market share. At that time 80% of all pizza was hand tossed, medium thin, deck baked pizza. That's the "Detroit-style" pizza I grew up with. The remaining market share went to deep dish square Sicilian pizza that was made famous by Buddy's, Cloverleaf and Shields Pizza. These 3 icons made (and still do) a very light, crunchy pan style dough that has the cheese on the dough followed by the toppings and sauce on last. That's the "Italian bakery style" described in the article and remembered fondly by many Detroiters. However, even that isn't the last word: In the 70's and 80's a dozen more chains have flourished. Some that come to mind are: Papa Romano's, Dolly's, Hungry Howies, Toarmina's [sic], Buschemi's [sic], Jets, Cottage Inn, and many more. The pizzas are all different .... I can't put my finger on any one type or style pizza that is representitive of Detroit. It's truly a mixed bag. Based on this, I think the article needs a major rewrite (to include the major Detroit-based franchises) or possibly even deletion.

Source: http://www.pmq.com/cgi-bin/tt/index.cgi?noframes;read=4028

Bradd 12:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Advertisement?

I am concerned by the fact that the majority of the article is devoted to one particular restaurant (Buddy's). While Buddy's may be the important in the what is being called "Detroit-style pizza", the amount of space devoted to one restaurant when discussing a style of pizza makes the article seem more of an advertisement of that restaurant. The language also indicates that the last part of the article is intended to advertise Buddy's than to inform about "Detroit-style pizza." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.24.32.77 (talk) 00:06, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I be'd bold and deleted the suspicious text. If anyone wants to know just how grateful Buddy's is to its fans for the enthusiasm and following that Buddy's generates, they can go to http://www.buddyspizza.com/ourhistory.htm (one click from Buddy's main page), from which the promotional text was shamelessly copypasted. 198.189.162.239 (talk) 21:38, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Notability

Are there any sources to show that this is a real pizza style (not just served at a few places in Detroit and marketed as "Detroit-style")? The current sources consist of two business websites and three reviews of restaurants marketing "Detroit" pizza. Also, when the article says "thick deep-dish crust" and "sauce put on the pizza last" that sounds a lot like the well-known Chicago-style pizza. Is "Detroit-style" fundamentally different from this in any way?18.96.6.79 (talk) 04:15, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree. It seems as though this style of pizza and Chicago are the same. Whether made in a round dish or a square dish, if the ingredients and preparation are the same, the end result will be also. --Jsderwin (talk) 19:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I found a source that does discuss the distinction regarding Detroit pizza. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:52, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm familiar with the style of pizza here, which has very little in common with Chicago-style deep dish pizza. It would be impossible to confuse the two in person or even in a photograph: They both feature thick crust and sauce on top, but it's an entirely different kind of crust and sauce. All that said, I have never heard a native or expat Michigander refer to "Detroit-style" pizza. Even in the sources here, it seems like they're using "Detroit-style" as a euphemism for "Buddy's," which is a decent pizza but not really representative of the regional style. Bradd (talk) 14:28, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Is there still an issue with notability, or can I take this down? I'd think with major wins at world level competition, and the style being represented all over the US, I'd say that this article is rather notable. KingMob4313 (talk) 14:35, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Jet's = Not Detroit-Style?

I'm wondering if anyone disagrees about the language on the page that lists Jet's among Dominos, Hungry Howies, and Little Caesars as companies that don't make Detroit-style pizza? I realize my experience might be different than most, but most people in my circle know Jet's almost exclusively for their square Detroit-style pizza, not their round pizzas. Their company website actually calls attention to this. Mmcroberts (talk) 20:00, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Press Release Journalism?

Under the history section, about midway through the first paragraph, the article takes on the tone of advertising copy; I have a recollection of reading something very similar off the back of a Buddy's Pizza menu. It was cut and pasted from Buddy's web site. Someone please rewrite this.--Drvanthorp (talk) 02:49, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Windsor?

OK, maybe too narrow a question for this page, but I'm hungry. Is there a place in Windsor, Ontario (or anywhere else in Canada) that makes Detroit-style pizza? 24.57.218.21 (talk) 21:50, 26 December 2014 (UTC)