Talk:Descendants 3

Too early for this, as per WP:NFF

As per the film notability guideline WP:NFF, it is almost certainly too early for this article to exist in Mainspace. As a result, it may be moved to WP:Draftspace, or WP:AfD'ed, or boldly converted into a redirect. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:49, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Move it to draft space, work on the article there, and set redirect to location with most info about the sequel. This should be somewhat automatic with films that fail WP:NFF such as this one. Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:32, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

 Done – this article has been moved to Draftspace, and a redirect to Descendants (2015 film)#Sequels currently resides in Mainspace until this article is ready. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:05, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

"Final" film in the franchise, and the lede

Just want to make a mention of this edit – while there is a single media report about Dove Cameron that seems to imply that D3 will be the "final film in the franchise", I'd like to see a stronger, more definitive source (e.g from Disney itself) confirming that this is indeed the "last" Descendants film before adding it to the lede. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:48, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

It's also worth noting that "the final film with Cameron, Boyce, Carson and Stewart" does not necessarily mean "the final film in the franchise" – there is nothing preventing Disney from "rebooting" the franchise with a new set of "villain kids" (or even "hero kids")... Bottom line: We would need a strong announcement from Disney itself that they never intend to do a Descendants film again before calling D3 the "final film"... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:14, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

To follow up on this, the death of Cameron Boyce changes nothing stated above – further Descendants films, with a new cast, are still possible. Until Disney actually publicly declares that "there will be no more Descendants films", this is not the "final" Descendants movie, and the article should make no declaration of the sort. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:06, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Even if it were the final film, it wouldn't really be notable to state. Amaury • 20:14, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

No, it would be. But the point is Disney has never said that this is the "final film in the franchise". And they likely never will, as they can "revive" this franchise at any time with new characters/actors. It's exactly identical to High School Musical in this way... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:03, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Infobox "cast" and "poster art"

Well, we've got poster art now, and it looks like it contains the following:

• Dove Cameron
• Cameron Boyce
• Sofia Carson
• Booboo Stewart
• China Anne McClain
• Cheyenne Jackson
• Jadah Marie(?)

I would suggest we add the last two to the infobox as well, except I can't be certain the person at the top right is Jadah Marie. Any ideas here?... (Ping MPFitz1968.) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:56, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

To once again reiterate: Sarah Jeffrey is not featured in the poster art in any way shape or form. Only the 7 people listed above are. Jeffrey's face is nowhere to be seen in the poster, and she should not be listed among the cast in the infobox. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:38, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Sarah Jeffery is in the poster. The head of colorful hair wearing a crown is her. She waers it in most of the film. Lesssleepdodomesokiddie (talk) 12:01, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Do you understand what the word "featured" means? – Jeffrey's face is not shown on the poster: thus, she is not "featured". Only "featured" people in the poster art are considered "primary cast" for the infobox. What you are doing is speculation, about something in the poster that is not featured. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:55, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

To followup on this, Disney gets to choose who they feature in the poster art, and they deliberately didn't feature Jeffrey's/Audrey's face. Neither Ben nor Jane are on the poster either (and arguably should be), but it's not our call – it's Disney's. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 07:11, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: Just to clarify something, is there a Wikipedia guideline that states only featured faces belong in the infobox? Because that seems very peculiar and specific. Also, as an example, I noticed other DCOMs such as High School Musical don't follow this supposed rule. What's the reason to not include Jeffery? – DarkGlow (talk) 13:23, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

The infobox doc's for {{Infobox film}} say list only those in the "billing block". So, what do you do when there's no "billing block" listing in the poster art? – You look at who is in the poster art. How do you determine who is in the poster art? It should be obvious, i.e. that you can readily identify the person. That can only be done if you can see a face. This is just common sense... Note that we don't list Kristin Chenoweth in the infobox for Descendants in an almost identical situation there with the poster art. As for other articles, that's an WP:OSE argument – just as a relevant example, the other two Descendants film had "fantasy" listed under genre, despite no source calling them that, until just yesterday when I caught it. IOW, lots of stuff is done wrong at other articles – that has no bearing on doing it right at this article. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:13, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Infobox template docs also says about billing block "If unavailable, use the top-billed actors from the screen credits. Other additions by consensus". I haven't seen the film but does the poster art images which we are using in lieu of a billing block match the top-billed actors from the credits? The billing block is part of the one sheet for a film so is official word. I don't see poster images as having the same authority so it would be good if we had something else backing it. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:30, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Sort of: "The Villain" kids are the "top 4" credited in the film, and are listed in the infobox for the other two films as well, so they 100% should be listed. Cheyenne Jackson is credited second-to-last with an onscreen "with", and China Anne McClain is credited last with an onscreen "and", so effectively these two also have top billing. The outlier is Jadah Marie – she's smack dab in the middle of the end-credits (because she's new to the franchise, and a young actress, no doubt). As a result, I wouldn't object to removing Marie from that listing, though I honestly can't see why it should be necessary. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:42, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

In my judgment, and based on what you stated, Jadah Marie should be removed from the starring list. The rest are strongly supported by both the credits and the art, Marie isn't. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:52, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

So now we're removing people with their faces clearly displayed in the poster art too? Watch out Dove, you'll be gone next! – DarkGlow (talk) 18:52, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

FTR, I'm nominally in favor of leaving Marie (but not Jeffrey) listed in the infobox, as per the poster art – if one or two more editors come out in favor of that, then the "Other additions by consensus" benchmark will have been met, IMO. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:51, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Cameron Boyce

Descendants 3 is unfortunely Cameron Boyce's final movie. May he rest in peace. 98.115.186.129 (talk) 17:11, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

References

As has been pointed out by a few editors now, mention of his death in this article is not relevant. It is out of WP:SCOPE. I'm not sure there's any notable reason to include his death here, but it may have been more relevant if this had happened while the film was in production, for example. MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:19, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

If he gets a formal dedicated to mention in the film itself it would be appropriate to include that fact. If it is determined that something related to the film itself was involved in his death then it may be appropriate to mention if well sourced. Otherwise it is somewhat irrelevant to this and most films when actors involved in them die, that is why we link to the actor articles for people who want to know more about the person. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:25, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Agree with all of this – it stays out of the article until the film actually airs and we see what they do with credits and dedications and such. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:11, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968, Geraldo Perez, and IJBall: We have this now, but we should probably wait until the film premieres to see exactly how it's done. With permission from the Boyce family, Disney Channel will dedicate the telecast of Descendants 3 in Cameron Boyce’s memory. I've seen in the past where it was said so and so film would be dedicated to X actor, and it never was. Amaury • 23:07, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

I found an article from THR saying that they were going to dedicate the telecast to Boyce's memory and that they were cancelling the red carpet event and instead donating to his favorite charity. I even provided a source. I don't see how this is irrelevant. - Jasonbres (talk) 23:05, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Any dedication info does not belong in the 'Cast' section – it would most properly belong under 'Production', or possibly under 'Release'. The 'Cast' section should just be a cast listing, with the barest character details. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:25, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2019

there's some false information on this page about the viewing numbers 162.72.184.4 (talk) 19:21, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. No, there's not. Amaury • 19:27, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

And talk about being non-specific in the request! What "false information"?... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:37, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: The film jumped up to 8.43 million in L+3, but since we only report L+SD... Amaury • 20:07, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

That can be added to the prose, if properly sourced. But, yeah – the "primary" ratings figure we report is "SAME DAY". --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:20, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 September 2019

Audrey stealing the crown 104.54.204.112 (talk) 13:59, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

•  Not done You didn't specify clearly what change you want made. MPFitz1968 (talk) 14:16, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Purported Descendants "Sequel"

FTR, I am not against mentioning that there will be a fourth Descendants film at this article. But if it is not a "direct sequel" – and the new film does not appear to be as it is based around new characters – it should not get a separate section at this article.

My recommendation is that we add just a sentence to the lede – something along the lines of, There is a planned fourth film in the Descendants film series, following a new set of characters.[source] --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:01, 12 May 2022 (UTC)