Talk:Demon (comics)

Page creation

This page was created following a request to do so on Wikipedia:WikiProject Webcomics/Requests. The requester also mentioned a number of other sources which I haven't incorporated into the article yet. The full list of sources provided is:

• REVIEWS [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12]
• AWARDS [13] [14] [15] [16]

HenryCrun15 (talk) 02:55, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 6 January 2020

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:24, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

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moved Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:23, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Demon (comic) → Demon (comics) – per WP:NCC Oornery (talk) 22:10, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:47, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

• @Oornery: In that case, first move the existing page Demon (comics) to Demon (comics)(disambiguation)? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:49, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Anthony Appleyard: The existing Demon (comics) is unnecessary - it is already covered on Demon (disambiguation). Oornery (talk) 23:07, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
  • I agree that "Demon (comics)" better follows WP:NCCDAB. I also agree there isn't a need for a disambiguation page on "Demon" in comics, given there is a disambiguation page for "Demon" already which can cover it. HenryCrun15 (talk) 02:47, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 05:15, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

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• Comment or view
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• ... that the original release of Jason Shiga's comic Demon included a four-page issue, a sixty-page issue, and an issue in which all the panels were black? Sources: The Beat "Eisner Watch 2017: get blown away by these early printings of Jason Shiga's DEMON" Interview with author "I took the opportunity to try every crazy idea I could get away with, such as a 4 page issue, a 60 page issue and an issue that was completely black", The Comics Journal "I Love Second Acts in Comics": An Interview with Jason Shiga "Issue seven was four pages long, and I insisted it must be four pages long. There’s another issue that has no images in it, but I think it might still be a comic and I insisted this issue must exist as well."
  • ALT1:... that the original release of Jason Shiga's comic Demon included issues of four pages, sixty pages, and one in which every panel was black? Sources: as above

• Reviewed: Digital media use and mental health
• Comment: Requesting 7 November 2021, the 4th anniversary of the release of the graphic novel's final volume

5x expanded by Reidgreg (talk) and HenryCrun15 (talk). Nominated by Reidgreg (talk) at 16:20, 10 September 2021 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Going with the default hook since that's more clearly worded. Everything checks out here. Cat's Tuxedo (talk) 08:10, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

ALT0 to T:DYK/P5

Plot summary length

@The Rambling Man: Thanks for your attention to the article. I also had some concerns about the length of the plot summary when writing that section. (My first decent draft was around 1600 words; it's now under 900.) I did not find specific plot size recommendations for comics or graphic novels. Demon is considered an epic work at 720 pages and has a complicated plot. For a rough idea of what was acceptable, I took a look at graphic novels listed at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Writing about fiction § List of exemplary articles (all of these passed FAC about 13 years ago, so consensus may have changed). Watchmen is a good example for a complex graphic novel, with over 1000 words of plot synopsis (830 of plot summary) summarizing about 450 pages of material. Bone Sharps, Cowboys, and Thunder Lizards is also complex, and has about 700 words of plot summary for 165 pages of material. "Sinestro Corps War" has about 660 words of plot summary for 336 pages of source material. (The other FA examples are for long series which are more difficult to compare.)

They seem to be holding at 700 words as a general figure, but I felt at the time that the complexity and length of Demon placed it closer to Watchmen. It could certainly be rewritten, but I don't really want to work toward an arbitrary figure just to have someone come along with a different figure and retag it. What do you think? Is there a guideline I missed? – Reidgreg (talk) 16:44, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Well yes, MOS:PLOT suggests 700 words as the ceiling, so that's what I would aim to achieve. This applies to all fictional plot sections regardless of the size of the source material. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:48, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

MOS:PLOT does not give a general guideline for wordcount. It suggests plot sections be balanced with the length of other sections and with the story itself, and defers to subject-specific guidelines such as 400–700 words for films (MOS:FILM#Plot). I've taken the plot down from 895 words to 780, a little over one word per page of the graphic novel. – Reidgreg (talk) 19:17, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

This has languished for a while so I've requested a copyedit at WP:GOCER. For the copyeditor who responds: Plot sections should summarize the overall plot to give readers a general sense of it and allow the rest of the article to be understandable. They should not cover every scene and for comics issue-by-issue summaries are frowned upon. Here, the plot is somewhat complex, the author having designed it as a series of puzzles to be solved, and some of it is non-linear (ie: not in strict chronological order). I'd appreciate an opinion on the length (though from the FA examples above, I feel this is fine), and any help or advice on making the plot section more clearly understandable. Thanks. – Reidgreg (talk) 17:40, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

As part of the requested copy edit, I trimmed a bit of detail from the plot summary and expanded it in a few places to help explain the story to someone who has not read it. If I got any of the facts wrong, please correct my errors. I think the word count is just over 750 words now, and it seems about right in terms of details.

In an unrelated note, it would be nice to have a publication history section like the one at Owly#Publication history. As a reader of collected comics printed in book form, it can sometimes be challenging to figure out how many volumes have been printed and what they are called, so that I can find them at my library or bookseller. A section like that helps a lot. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:09, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: Looks good, thanks a lot! I added a table for the collected volumes with sources. – Reidgreg (talk) 05:20, 21 March 2024 (UTC)