Talk:Democratic Party of the Left

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disagree with merge

No, I don't think this page should be merged with the one on the Italian Communist Party. The PDS was a break from the history of the PCI; that was kind of the whole point. Arguably it could be merged with Democrats of the Left, because as I understand it there was no major organizational or ideological shift associated with that name change (I think it happened because they didn't want to be associated with the German PDS, which was the remnant of the Communist Party of the old DDR). --Trovatore 15:16, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I understand the Democrats of the left was a merge with several other parties. Personally, I hope that someone who understand Italian could translate the article from Italiab, as the present article is VERY short. --Oddeivind 07:35, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The issue would be one of formalities. What was the actual desicion? Did PCI disband (giving up all its assests etc.), or did it change name? PDS and DS, however, are clearly separate structures, as DS was formed through the merger of various groups. --Soman 15:21, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't tell you about the formalities. I know that the formation of the PDS was felt as a major change in Italy. Throughout the entire postwar period, 30% or so of Italians considered themselves communist, forming the largest single bloc, but were almost entirely shut out of national power because the other parties would form almost any alliance so long as it didn't include the PCI. When the PDS was formed, it was not for them a mere name change; many of them felt completely at sea. Whatever the formal organizational questions, I think it would be inappropriate to treat that singular historical moment as just one point in the whole history of the PCI. --Trovatore 15:40, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the transition from PDS to DS was smooth, the other formations were very small, without a notable political base and almost unknown to the majority of the Italians, and the leadership of PDS transferred to the new entity in bulk. The transition was perceived by many as a simple change of name. To the contrary the transition from PCI to PDS was a traumatic shock in Italy, and particularly between the members of the party (as Trovatore wrote the PCI was one of the biggest parties and it had hundreds of thousands of active members). I remember personally that there were harsh discussions up to the smallest local branch and in some areas many members choosed the new PRC instead of the PDS because they didn't want to give up the name of "Communist Party". GhePeU 08:38, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wasnt the Italian Communist Party already ver reformed and eurocommunist? --Oddeivind 07:41, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The last claim about the PDS being not in the EU socialist group is doubious. The DS party has been always in the socialist group so I wouldn' say the PDS was not in the same group, as the change from PDS to DS wasn't significative . The PDS came from the PCI, but it is important to note that, being a party that ruled regions and towns, it could already be considered a socialdemocratic party in the '80s, having separated from soviet ideology at the beginning of the '70s.

PDS was a member of Confederation of Socialist Parties of the European Community (it was the former name of the Party of European Socialists), and also of Socialist International, with the approval of Craxi's PSI. I think that's sufficient to be recognized as an European social democratic force.

Source: it.Wikipedia. --80.104.175.7 15:24, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Translation from Italian wikipedia

Hey! I was planning to translate this article to my native Norwegian, but the English language article is VERY short. Could anyone that understand Italian translate the Italian article into English? --Oddeivind 07:32, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Under is an automatic translation of the Italian version of this article:

http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fit.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPartito_Democratico_della_Sinistra&langpair=it%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8

Could anyone with skills in the Italian language improve the automatic translation and therebye create a better English language version of the article? --Oddeivind (talk) 15:17, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]