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INTEXT

Per WP:INTEXT many of the sources need to be named in the text, not just as footnote citations. LeadSongDog come howl! 17:53, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is there such a thing as Late Term Abortion?

Hi! I recently made the following change to the last sentence of the first paragraph, which was reverted by another editor who called my words WP:OR. This is what I added:

Although well-known abortion provider David Grimes selected late termination of pregnancy as the best term for later uterine evacuation in 2010, many reliable medical sources still include the expressions "late abortion", "second-term abortion", "third-trimester abortion", or "late-term abortion" referring to abortions carried out after viability.^[1]^[2]^[3]

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^ Grimes, David A.; Gretchen, Stuart (February 2010). "Abortion jabberwocky: the need for better terminology". Contraception. 81 (2): 93–96. doi:10.1016/j.contraception.2009.09.005. Retrieved 9 April 2014. Both the lay and professional literature uses obstetrical terms improperly, including "abortion." ...some authors refer to "third-trimester" abortion.
^ Oshri Barel (February 2009). "Fetal abnormalities leading to third trimester abortion: nine‐year experience from a single medical center". Obstetrics and Gynecology. 29 (3): 223–228. Retrieved 11 November 2019.
^ Grimes, David A. (1984). "Second-Trimester Abortions in the United States". Family Planning Perspectives. 16 (6). Guttmacher Institute: 260–266. doi:10.2307/2134915. Retrieved 11 November 2019. Late abortion remains a complex and difficult issue... The rare instances in which an abortion procedure ends in a live birth represent the most controversial aspect of second-trimester abortion.

I think that the claims are rather modest and easily verified by the sources given. Particularly the second source, which has "third trimester abortion" right there in the title!

170.54.58.11 (talk) 18:23, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you putting Grimes in there? You're just telling the reader that several expressions have been used for abortion after viability. Binksternet (talk) 17:54, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I can't believe that this has sat here this long without challenge. It says something downright scary about what Wikipedia has become. The IP here obviously didn't read his own references, nor even the definitions section of this article. "Miscarriage" is not a medical term. It is only used by medical professionals when dealing with lay people who might misunderstand their reference to an "abortion" (as with this wikipedia editor). The third trimester abortion referred to in the sources here references what lay people call late miscarriages -- the specific reference is about the fact that serious disabilities often result in (non-induced, spontaneous, natural -- get the message?) miscarriages. Anyone who was genuinely interested in this enough to actually read the source should have at least been intrigued enough to have found that out. The definition section here points this out, BTW: see the definition under OB/GYN textbooks in this very article, the part that says "Because popular use of the word abortion implies a deliberate pregnancy termination, some prefer the word miscarriage to refer to spontaneous fetal loss before viability [...] " alacarte (talk) 15:19, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[Grimes-1] Grimes, David A.; Gretchen, Stuart (February 2010). "Abortion jabberwocky: the need for better terminology". Contraception. 81 (2): 93–96. doi:10.1016/j.contraception.2009.09.005. Retrieved 9 April 2014. Both the lay and professional literature uses obstetrical terms improperly, including "abortion." ...some authors refer to "third-trimester" abortion.

[2] Oshri Barel (February 2009). "Fetal abnormalities leading to third trimester abortion: nine‐year experience from a single medical center". Obstetrics and Gynecology. 29 (3): 223–228. Retrieved 11 November 2019.

[Grimes2-3] Grimes, David A. (1984). "Second-Trimester Abortions in the United States". Family Planning Perspectives. 16 (6). Guttmacher Institute: 260–266. doi:10.2307/2134915. Retrieved 11 November 2019. Late abortion remains a complex and difficult issue... The rare instances in which an abortion procedure ends in a live birth represent the most controversial aspect of second-trimester abortion.

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